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Climate change PROVED to be nothing but a lie, claims top meteorologist

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claig · 23/10/2014 17:04

"THE debate about climate change is finished - because it has been categorically proved NOT to exist, one of the world's leading meteorologists has claimed."

And the distinguished meteorologist goes on to say what many wise heads have long been saying:

"Polar Bears are increasing in number." Grin

www.express.co.uk/news/nature/526191/Climate-change-is-a-lie-global-warming-not-real-claims-weather-channel-founder

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PigletJohn · 29/10/2014 20:56

You mean that you actually believe it

but you have seen no evidence that it is true

right?

Where do you stand on mistletoe as a cure for cancer?

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claig · 29/10/2014 21:01

I don't want to wait for the evidence. I am happy to take the word of the expert, John Marshall.

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PigletJohn · 29/10/2014 21:09

and which of the Mail's cancer cures do you rely on?

Solopower1 · 29/10/2014 21:42

Have you read 'Bad Science' by Ben Goldacre? It's quite - ahem - illuminating.

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claig · 29/10/2014 21:49

Didn't Ben Goldacre write for the Guardian sometimes? No thanks, I will stick with the Daily Mail.

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Solopower1 · 29/10/2014 21:57

Seriously. He can show you how to look at research. Might help you to see the light.

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claig · 29/10/2014 22:08

"He can show you how to look at research"

But can he show me how to look at the game, the big picture and cut through the spin? There are lies, damned lies and statistics, but if you know the game, you can't go wrong.

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claig · 29/10/2014 22:12

But this article does not say the Mail says it is safe, it suggests they say it is safe - the Department of Health

"Now it IS safe for your child to use a mobile: After years of warnings, official leaflet drops safety guidance

Plans to give the green light for children to use mobile phones despite cancer fears have angered health campaigners.

The draft of a new advisory leaflet for parents by the Department of Health removes safety advice to impose strict limits on youngsters' use of the handsets.

It goes on to suggest that heating to the head caused by using a mobile is no more harmful than a hot bath.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210380/Now-IS-safe-child-use-mobile-After-years-warnings-official-leaflet-drops-safety-guidance.html

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Solopower1 · 29/10/2014 22:17

It can't make them happy though, can it, choosing to be scared all the time? Why meet worry half way? Worrying about something doesn't stop it happening, but people make all sorts of wrong decisions through fear - like voting for the political party that you think will get rid of the bogey men from under the bed. It's part of the attraction of UKIP, imo.

Also, if these journalists ever did stumble across something that really was a huge scandal, it would just get treated like all their other stories: tomorrow's fish and chip paper.

Solopower1 · 29/10/2014 22:18

Sorry, that was to PigletJohn.

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claig · 29/10/2014 22:20

"It can't make them happy though, can it, choosing to be scared all the time?"

Do you mean the Daily Mail? They are doing you a service. They are not allowed to spell it out, but they give you as many hints as you need.

'if these journalists ever did stumble across something that really was a huge scandal'

Huge scandals are not allowed to be revealed e.g. Jimmy Savile. Of course lots of journalist knew. All they are allowed to do is hint.

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Solopower1 · 29/10/2014 22:26

What's the game, Claig? Is it one that we have to join in with, or can we choose to sit it out?

I agree we are being manipulated, by the way, by people who want our money and/or want us to vote for them. That's why we need to keep a clear head and look at the research more carefully than many reporters do.

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claig · 29/10/2014 22:31

'What's the game, Claig? Is it one that we have to join in with, or can we choose to sit it out?'

The game is played out on us. You can't sit it out because it affects you and your health and prospects and prosperity and everything else.

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Justanotherlurker · 29/10/2014 22:31

John Coleman.... a guy who is born before world war II even starts, who also only has a degree in journalism......somehow has the credentials/qualifications to tell us anything about paleoclimate, climatology, geochemistry, physical/biological/chemical oceanography? He didn't even study meteorology! He's a hobbyist at most. Would you take medical advice from a heroin addict just because he's used needles for the past 15 years? I hope not.

JassyRadlett · 29/10/2014 22:32

I'm still chortling at the idea that the big money is in low-carbon, when it comes to energy.

That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long long time.

Solopower1 · 29/10/2014 22:32

Who or what doesn't allow the DM to print what it wants? It wouldn't be our libel laws, would it, the ones that protect us from having lies spread about us?

Hints are used by people who can't justify what they say; people who can't back anything up with evidence. Hints are far more scary than telling it how it is. When there is an information vacuum, people tend to fill it with wild imaginings.

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claig · 29/10/2014 22:48

"I'm still chortling at the idea that the big money is in low-carbon, when it comes to energy."

I don't understand that. What low-carbon?

'Who or what doesn't allow the DM to print what it wants? '

No it is not the law, it is unspoken rules. They have to play the game and know the rules. Just as the Jimmy Savile scandal was not revealed. The same type of people control the game. It is informal, not formal, there are no explicit rules, it is more subtle and all-pervasive than that.

'Hints are used by people who can't justify what they say'
No, hints are warnings, hints are help, hints are as far as they can go.

Look at the Rochester scandal. Lots of people knew and yet it could not be brought out fully in the open. Journalists must have known - local journalists and hence national journalists too, but nothing was done for years. There are lots of people responsible indirectly and even directly.

'When there is an information vacuum'

There is a truth vacuum, and hints are warnings that try to break the barrier as far as they are able to.

Right now on BBC Newsnight we are being told that in some parts of Greater Manchester "child exploitation is the new social norm".

It is disgraceful and clearly lots of people have known about this and the report says that Rochdale is not an isolated case.

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CalamitouslyWrong · 29/10/2014 22:54

You don't think that maybe the daily mail is a key player in the game at our expense? And not one working to our advantage.

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claig · 29/10/2014 22:55

Listen to the former policewoman on Newsnight. She is brilliant. She told her superiors a decade ago and she feels little was done. She says she feels the report is a another attempt to "conceal the realities of our failures as a police force to protect the most vulnerable in our society". She says the report suggests we need a change in "public attitudes" - the usual story we are always told - but she feels the public know full well what we should be doing but it is the agencies who are failing toi use our laws adequately.

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claig · 29/10/2014 22:59

"You don't think that maybe the daily mail is a key player in the game at our expense?"

No because it is the paper that will tell you more of the truth than any other paper - most about lightbulbs, swine flu, climate change and everything else. The most articles on Jimmy Savile and the Geoffrey Dickens dossier and the Paedophile Information Exchange and its links with the National Council on Civil Liberties in the 1970s etc are always in the Daily Mail.

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claig · 29/10/2014 23:00

The Daily Mail can only go so far, it can't spill all the beans, but it gives you the most hints.

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Solopower1 · 29/10/2014 23:05

'in some parts of Greater Manchester "child exploitation is the new social norm".'

Really?? I'm not watching Newsnight, but a statement like that is just inaccurate. Can't you see that? For child exploitation to be the norm, that means that normal, ordinary families, all over Greater Manchester, are 'exploiting' their children (whatever that means). Do you really think that can possibly be true? Far more families are doing it than are not doing it. And how does she know? Has she counted them?

It's OK, imho, for people to say things like that in a moment of passion, but not for a newspaper to print them as facts.

Viviennemary · 29/10/2014 23:06

I've never believed in it. Of course the earth goes through cycles of climate change. It's all a total con so all the world leaders can show us they are actually doing something wringing their hands about climate change and making us feel guilty that it's somehow our fault.

TalkinPeace · 29/10/2014 23:10

I do not know for sure that manmade climate change is real 99.9% but hey
However I do know that if I do nothing and it turns out it was, my children and their children will rightly look upon this generation as the most selfish bastards ever.

For that reason alone I try to take what steps I can to make the world a livable place for my children and hopefully grandchildren.

THe planet will happily cope with runaway global warming - there will be mass extinctions and all the rest.
Human civilisation will not survive it

I care about my descendants
THAT is why I believe that we should act now to mitigate climate change
without waiting for the killer blow evidence

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