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Climate change PROVED to be nothing but a lie, claims top meteorologist

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claig · 23/10/2014 17:04

"THE debate about climate change is finished - because it has been categorically proved NOT to exist, one of the world's leading meteorologists has claimed."

And the distinguished meteorologist goes on to say what many wise heads have long been saying:

"Polar Bears are increasing in number." Grin

www.express.co.uk/news/nature/526191/Climate-change-is-a-lie-global-warming-not-real-claims-weather-channel-founder

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claig · 28/10/2014 19:34

"Distinguished weathercaster"
"I am not saying that Daily Mail articles are like Einstein, but they are damn close."

Grin Am having a bit of a laugh

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Solopower1 · 29/10/2014 16:10

Oh I am glad they're going to stop the climate changing.

claig · 29/10/2014 17:41

Never smash an eco-friendly lightbulb. They contain mercury.

"Energy-saving light bulbs are so dangerous that everyone must leave the room for at least 15 minutes if one falls to the floor and breaks, a Government department warned yesterday.

The startling alert came as health experts also warned that toxic

mercury inside the bulbs can aggravate a range of problems including migraines and dizziness.

And a leading dermatologist said tens of thousands of people with skin complaints will find it hard to tolerate being near the bulbs as they cause
conditions such as eczema to flare up.

The Department for Environment warned shards of glass from broken bulbs should not be vacuumed up but instead swept away by someone wearing rubber gloves to protect them from the bulb's mercury content.

In addition, it said care should be taken not to inhale any dust and the broken pieces should be put in a sealed plastic bag for disposal at a council dump – not a normal household bin.

None of this advice, however, is printed on the packaging the new-style bulbs are sold in. There are also worries over how the bulbs will be disposed of.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-506347/An-energy-saving-bulb-gone--evacuate-room-now.html

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PigletJohn · 29/10/2014 18:31

I can see now where Claig gets her stories from. As it's the daily wail, everyone knows not to take it too seriously. They love to frighten their readers and are a notorious source of Antiscience .

Here you are, have some more.

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no, sorry,
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Don't worry, a few of these cures might do the trick

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www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1197998/Forget-health-fascists-coffee-IS-good-you.html

claig · 29/10/2014 19:14

Take the Daily Mail stories on eco light bulbs seriously. It's about your health.

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claig · 29/10/2014 19:16

Here is teh Guardian saying it is not that big an issue. You pays your money, you makes your choice. I know whicj paper I believe.

"It is true that eco bulbs pose a health issue for a tiny minority who suffer from light-sensitive diseases such as lupus, where they've been shown to exacerbate conditions. But this is extremely rare. For the population at large they remain a pretty bright idea."

www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/apr/27/ethicalliving.lifeandhealth

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BackOnlyBriefly · 29/10/2014 19:39

Well the Daily Mail would exaggerate, that's how they sell papers. I went looking for somewhere a bit more sensible to get some facts and google took me to Separating Myth From Fact on CFL and LED Light Bulbs

Unfortunately that wasn't totally reassuring as they seem to be saying 'no need to worry at all - as long as you are careful and take precautions' which isn't the overwhelming dismissal that I was hoping for.

Not that I worry about it. I hate them because they don't work as well as the older bulbs. I used to know a guy a long time ago who used to put old-style 25w bulbs in every room to save money. He's probably loving it now that we're all making our rooms look as ghastly as his were.

PigletJohn · 29/10/2014 19:43

ha ha ha!

What do you think "Electrical Smog" is?

Did you notice the absence of any links or references to the garbage sound research?

Are you using Kangaroo cream to prevent skin cancer? Or are you relying on mistletoe?

BackOnlyBriefly · 29/10/2014 19:48

the 'United States Environmental Protection Agency' advice is even better.

Cleaning Up a Broken CFL

claig · 29/10/2014 19:55

"My night-owl daughter woke me in a panic at around 2 a.m., a couple of weeks back. While swatting at a fly, she’d just broken the compact fluorescent light illuminating her closet — one of those highly efficient CFLs I’d installed all over the house. She didn’t shatter the whole bulb, just a roughly 3-inch segment of the swirly glass, which (naturally) embedded in the fibers of her carpet. Having heard me warn endlessly of how we should be careful in handling these bulbs — since they contain mercury — she wanted to know what kind of damage control was called for."

I only wish I knew then what I do now. It wouldn’t have changed how we cleaned up the mess, but we would have slept a bit better that night.

New data from Yadong Li and Li Jin of Jackson State University in Mississippi help put concerns about mercury from broken bulbs in perspective. They measured the mercury present in both new and used CFLs and recorded the continuous emissions from ones that they intentionally broke.

Airborne release rates following a break were low, they reported online July 6 in Environmental Engineering Science. A 13-watt lamp (which has a light output equivalent to a 60-watt incandescent bulb) released from 0.04 to perhaps 0.7 milligrams of mercury during the first 24 hours. This suggests that exposures should be negligible if the pieces are immediately picked up, nestled in paper and then discarded in a zip-it-up plastic bag or a sealed glass jar. To play it safe, the authors recommend also ventilating the room so that any residual gas shed by missed shards of glass won’t accumulate.

And that’s what we did with our broken CFL. Picked up every visible piece of glass, wrapped it carefully and stowed it on the porch until it could be taken down to the trash can the next day. We also vacuumed the carpet for about 10 minutes to pick up glass pieces too small to see — and immediately discarded the vacuum’s bag as well.

Keep in mind, Li notes, a CFL's elemental mercury is not in vapor form unless the lamp is on with a current running through it. Otherwise, the mercury resides along the inside of the glass. And it's from there that the mercury will slowly volatilize once exposed to air. So another lesson: Breaking a CFL while it's turned on can initially disperse a bigger puff of mercury vapor into the air than if its glass is damaged while the bulb is off, Li says.

A more disturbing finding was how long a broken CFL can continue to release toxic vapors: a minimum of 43 days (which is how long Li and Jin ran their tests with bulbs from three different manufacturers). The engineers computed how much of each bulb’s starting mercury had been lost during that time (which wasn’t easy, since starting values and release rates both varied broadly between bulbs). Their calculations indicate that each CFL still contained enough residual elemental mercury at the end of their testing to continue releasing the toxic substance into the air for at least 10 more days, and in one instance, for 85 more days.

If not cleaned up, the bulb with the largest initial store of mercury could have spewed 1 milligram of the toxic metal into a room's air within 25 days; another could have reached that level within about 40 days. Li and Jin cited data by others indicating that the release of 1 milligram of mercury vapor into a 500 cubic meter room can yield air concentrations 10 times the current recommended limit for a child. Breaking a CFL can thus cause potentially toxic levels of pollution to develop, Li and Jin conclude."

www.sciencenews.org/blog/science-public/some-comfort-about-broken-cfls

Depends who you believe.
The Daily Mail will tell you more than others. But you have to choose which sources are the most reliable - snoopes etc or the Daily Mail. I know which one I believe.

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CalamitouslyWrong · 29/10/2014 19:58

Arf. This thread is a brilliant illustration of how science is mangled by the British media. Grin

Claig: you are, as ever, an excellent advert for the quality of reasoning that one expects from the 'yay ukip' section of british politics. You should suggest to farage that he cut huge swathes of the nhs budget and buy every household a daily mail subscription as a means of providing all the health advice they'll ever need. who needs doctors when you've got ill informed scaremongering in the press to advise people? Grin

claig · 29/10/2014 20:01

CalamitouslyWrong, your name says it all.

Open the Daily Mail, discovers the facts.

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claig · 29/10/2014 20:03

Understand the game. It's all linked to climate change - lightbulbs the lot.

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claig · 29/10/2014 20:04

The Daily Mail can only tell you so much, it can't spell it out, it can only give you hints.

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claig · 29/10/2014 20:09

"According to a recently released German study, the supposed “environmentally friendly” compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFL’s), are reported to have “cancer causing chemicals” that are sent out when the light is switched on, reports London’s Daily Telegraph:

Their report advises that the bulbs should not be left on for extended periods, particularly near someone’s head, as they emit poisonous materials when switched on.

Peter Braun, who carried out the tests at the Berlin’s Alab Laboratory, said: “For such carcinogenic substances it is important they are kept as far away as possible from the human environment.”

The bulbs are already widely used in the UK following EU direction to phase out traditional incandescent lighting by the end of this year.

But the German scientists claimed that several carcinogenic chemicals and toxins were released when the environmentally-friendly compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs) were switched on, including phenol, naphthalene and styrene."

www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/apr/25/study-enviro-light-bulbs-can-cause-cancer

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CalamitouslyWrong · 29/10/2014 20:12

You know what genuinely is all linked to climate change? Natural Environment Research Council funding. The reasons for that might be obvious though.

The trying too reduce energy use in homes agenda is just plain sensible. Spend less on electricity, and reduce emissions. What's not to like? Buggering up the environment is not good for our quality of life, even if you choose not to believe in or care about anthropomorphic climate change.

claig · 29/10/2014 20:13

"The Department for the Environment insists the bulbs are safe, despite the fact that they contain small amounts of mercury which would leak out if the glass was broken.

Advice on its website states: “Energy efficient light bulbs are not a danger to the public.

“Although they contain mercury, limited at 5mg per lamp, it cannot escape from a lamp that is intact.

“In any case, the very small amount contained in an energy efficient bulb is unlikely to cause harm even if the lamp should be broken.”

The latest report follows claims by Abraham Haim, a professor of biology at Haifa University in Israel, that the bulbs could result in higher breast cancer rates if used late at night.

He said that the bluer light that CFLs emitted closely mimicked daylight, disrupting the body's production of the hormone melatonin more than older-style filament bulbs, which cast a yellower light.

The Migraine Action Association has warned that they could trigger migraines and skin care specialists have claimed that their intense light could exacerbate a range of existing skin problems."

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8462626/Energy-saving-light-bulbs-contain-cancer-causing-chemicals.html

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claig · 29/10/2014 20:14

'The trying too reduce energy use in homes agenda is just plain sensible'

I have no problem with that at all. That makes sense.

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claig · 29/10/2014 20:23

And of course it is an EU Directive that banned the old lightbulbs from sale and now there is no choice.

But who knows, maybe UKIP might be able to do something.

"One of the region’s Euro-MPs is calling for the ditching of low energy lightbulbs after experts warn they can cause blindness and skin cancer.

Under EU regulations it is illegal for people in the UK to buy traditional lightbulbs, a rule the British government is powerless to overturn. But recently medical experts have admitted that prior to the ban taking effect they stocked up on a lifetime’s supply of the bulbs, over health fears that the new EU approved bulbs can seriously damage health.

Professor Marshall, an eye expert and university professor, is concerned by recent scientific evidence that shows that light rays from the new style bulbs (known as CFLs) are particularly damaging to human eyes and skin.

UKIP MEP Paul Nuttall said, “In the same way ultraviolet rays in sunlight can cause premature aging in our skin if we get sunburnt, there is a similar situation in the eye.

“You shed skin every five days, but your retina is with you for life.

“These bulbs produce high peaks of ultra violet light, and are very dangerous.”

A second professor has added to the concerns by warning of the bulbs’ use in reading lamps.

Professor John Hawk, the retired head of the photobiology unit at St John’s Institute of Dermatology, King’s College, London, warns, “There is good evidence that the CFLs that have been foisted upon us emit radiation sufficient to cause damage to the skin if used close by for long enough.”

He says the risk is particularly high if the bulb is a metre or less from your body, which is common as people use them in reading lamps.

Paul Nuttall, UKIP deputy leader, added, “This is yet another example of ill-thought-out legislation made by the EU before they have got all the facts.

“They are so desperate to justify their high salaries they will push through law after law and not stop to consider the available evidence and the health consequences of those they are supposed to work for.

“These concerns have been raised before, but as always, the EU ignores the experts because the findings don’t fit their agenda and the rest of us have to suffer.”

ukipnw.org.uk/low-energy-light-bulbs-warning/

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claig · 29/10/2014 20:25

Lots of people laugh at the Mail, but no other newspaper will give you as much information as it can.

"The medical experts who refuse to use low-energy lightbulbs in their homes: Professors have stocked up on old-style bulbs to protect against skin cancer and blindness. So should YOU be worried?"

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2626564/The-medical-experts-refuse-use-low-energy-lightbulbs-homes-Professors-stocked-old-style-bulbs-protect-against-skin-cancer-blindness-So-YOU-worried.html

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claig · 29/10/2014 20:27

"How would you view a man who's stockpiled a lifetime supply of old-fashioned lightbulbs because he believes low-energy bulbs could lead to blindness?

You might well dismiss him as dotty. But the man in question, John Marshall, is no crank. In fact, he's one of Britain's most eminent eye experts, the professor of ophthalmology at the University College London Institute of Ophthalmology. So concerned is he that he has boxes stacked with old-fashioned incandescent lightbulbs at home.

'I bulk bought incandescent lightbulbs before the Government made it illegal to import them,' he says.
'I can't give you an exact number, but I have enough to see me out.'"

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2626564/The-medical-experts-refuse-use-low-energy-lightbulbs-homes-Professors-stocked-old-style-bulbs-protect-against-skin-cancer-blindness-So-YOU-worried.html

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claig · 29/10/2014 20:33

Daily Mail journalists sneak the facts out past the censors. Best paper in the world if you are looking for the truth.

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PigletJohn · 29/10/2014 20:45

Claig, justy to check:

Do you actually believ that this is true?

"...low energy lightbulbs after experts warn they can cause blindness and skin cancer."

and have you seen any evidence to prove it?

claig · 29/10/2014 20:49

"You might well dismiss him as dotty. But the man in question, John Marshall, is no crank. In fact, he's one of Britain's most eminent eye experts, the professor of ophthalmology at the University College London Institute of Ophthalmology. So concerned is he that he has boxes stacked with old-fashioned incandescent lightbulbs at home."

I believe John Marshall, I don't believe snopes and all the rest.

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