Climate change PROVED to be nothing but a lie, claims top meteorologist

[claig]

"THE debate about climate change is finished - because it has been categorically proved NOT to exist, one of the world's leading meteorologists has claimed."

And the distinguished meteorologist goes on to say what many wise heads have long been saying:

"Polar Bears are increasing in number."

www.express.co.uk/news/nature/526191/Climate-change-is-a-lie-global-warming-not-real-claims-weather-channel-founder

'Why do you need to believe that climate change is a lie, claig?'

You don't need to. It is up to you.
If you understand the game, you will realise why it is so important to the spinners and why they are pushing it and what it will mean for you.

Sorry it was Andrew Neil on the Sunday Politics. Well worth watching. I learned some new things I wasn't aware of that have added to the process of study.

Owen Patterson, former Environment Secretary, is starting to say some interesting things.

He focuses in money here, but the real game is not about money, it is much bigger and more important than mere money.

"I was sacked as Environment Secretary to appease "green blob", says Owen Paterson

In a lengthy article for the Sunday Telegraph, he described it as a "mutually supportive network of environmental pressure groups, renewable energy companies and some public officials who keep each other well supplied with lavish funds, scare stories and green tape", and said that much of his work as Environment Secretary was devoted to loosening its grip on Government policy.

"This tangled triangle of unelected busybodies claims to have the interests of the planet and the countryside at heart, but it is increasingly clear that it is focusing on the wrong issues and doing real harm while profiting handsomely," he wrote."

www.greenwisebusiness.co.uk/news/i-was-sacked-as-environment-secretary-to-appease-green-blob-says-owen-paterson-4413.aspx#.VEznOaJyaic

"Paterson said that he believed in improving the environment and the rural economy and that many in the green movement believed in neither.

And he was particularly scathing about the Green party and Friends of the Earth. "It was not my job to do the bidding of two organisations that are little more than anti-capitalist agitprop groups, most of whose leaders could not tell a snake's head fritillary from a silver-washed fritillary," he said."

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I think it is a bit harsh to pull them up on that. Few of us could tell the difference between those two. I will definitely add it to my process of study and start googling the Daily Mail archives to see what on earth that is all about.

Owen Patterosn, former Environment minister, once again

"I also note that the forecast effects of climate change have been consistently and widely exaggerated thus far.

The stopping of the Gulf Stream, the worsening of hurricanes, the retreat of Antarctic sea ice, the increase of malaria, the claim by UNEP that we would see 50m climate refugees before now – these were all predictions that proved wrong.

For example the Aldabra Banded Snail which one of the Royal Society’s journals pronounced extinct in 2007 has recently reappeared, yet the editors are still refusing to retract the original paper.

It is exactly this sort of episode that risks inflicting real harm on the reputation and academic integrity of the science."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/10/owen-patersons-speech-on-abandoning-the-2050-climate-change-targets-full-text/

I haven't even bothered to read his whole article because if you understand the game, the rest is just detail.

OK, I knew it.

If Patterson had called it by its real name "Fritillaria meleagris" then I would have known what he meant. It was the "snake's head" bit that threw me.

A bloke down the pub who wasn't an academic in the subject and hadn't done any research in the area told me climate change is a myth.

I believe him. Well it was a cold day.

I believe everything I'm told by random people rather than 90% of climate scientists.

And trust completely the Daily Express and Mail to be accurate and not sensational or misleading in any way.

'A bloke down the pub'

Was he UKIP? I think I know the one you mean.
He said UKIP would scrap the Climate Change Act, he said they would tear it up, he said they would scrap the green taxes, end the carbon emission targets, the legally binding ones that Andrew Neil told us on the Sunday Politics might mean ending the use of all gas for cooking and heating in our homes by 2050.

I said that sounds like "common sense" at last. He said that was what UKIP was all about. I said "sign me up".

I believe everything I'm told by random people rather than 90% of climate scientists

I think you'll find claig has already explained fully why the % of scientists said to agree is extremely suspect

As with so many issues, constant repetition of a "fact" - on either side - doesn't necessarily make it true

Here is the formidable Andrew Neil, a real star on the BBC, interviewing Liz Truss on today's Sunday Politics

Andrew Neil did write an article called "The Dam is Cracking" on his blog after Climategate, I think it was. Have tried to google for it, but it doesn't seem to be available any more.

Do you mean Andrew Neil the world-renowned expert on climatology, or Andrew Neil the newspaperman and media personality?

Andrew Neil the former newspaper editor and distinguished journalist who has spent a lifetime getting behind the spin of politicians and puppets to report the truth to the people. There aren't many as good as him, alas.

I believe every word he says.
As he's an expert

all politicians are lying weasels, surely we knew that? Including UKIP, obviously.

There is no spin in UKIP, just common sense truth.

One of the reasons, the political parties fear UKIP is because they will tear up the Climate Change Act and stop the process of shutting down our carbon-based energy production. The EU and the people who control it don't like that and they are spitting nails. But in a democracy, it is the British people who decide who governs us, not them. That is why the game is over, it is coming to an end.

Remember how Farage made mincemeat of Nick Clegg, the champion of the EU, leader of the "Party of In" or as some said "the Party of Spin" pn our national TV.

Well when the real election campaign starts, the BBC and the rest of the media will have to give Farage airtime. His grinning face will be all over TV and they won't be able to prevent him telling the people of Clacton and elsewhere the truth. When he brings up the Climate Change Act, the public is going to ask how come they were never apprised of the facts. When Farage is on our screens, the EU bosses will scream, but there'll be rejoicing from Clacton to Rochester and everywhere inbetween.

"The Climate Change Act will do untold damage to British industry"

"The only obstacle is the Climate Change Act, whose unilateral targets are doing nothing for the plant but everything to damage British industry. Never did a piece of legislation pass through the Commons with so little opposition – just four MPs voted against – and yet proved to be such an error."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/12/the-climate-change-act-will-do-untold-damage-to-british-industry/

It will be too late to throw the kitchen sink at Farage then because the game will be almost up.

I'm stunned that people will believe in rubbish.

Heh ho. I believe in journalists above scientists.
Why? Why not.

"There is no spin in UKIP, just common sense truth."

Hahahahahahahaha!

Opinions differ.

They may even have to call Gordon Brown back, just like they did in Scotland, where he thumped and grumped his way across the stage to give his barnstorming speech when they let him out of his cage.

He may launch a doom-laden growl and a howl of pain as he tries to explain that we have only so many years or even days oe maybe even minutes to "save the planet". But it won't work in Clacton or Rochester or anywhere in between, he will be laughed off stage, it will be like nothing you've ever seen.

They may have to call on Russell Brand to campaign on climate change. They may lovebomb the people of Clacton with luvvies, comedians and maybe even a popstar, they probably make Russell Brand the Climate Change Czar.

But it won't work, it will all be in vain, people won't fall for spin again.

I haven't read the thread, just saw the OP.

Claig, if the vast majority of scientists claim one thing, and put their reputations on the line by doing so, why would it not be true?

Climate change is not a hoax. It is happening. There is enormous evidence to prove it is happening.

I know you just adore a conspiracy, but this isn't one.

Ocean acidification due to more carbonic acid in it will destroy the shells of zooplankton. Plankton is the base of the world's food chain.

We're fucked.

However I know with you I am talking to a brick wall.

I don't believe that anyone can prove climate change is a lie.

This is what I think we know so far.

There are some changes going on. We can measure them.

We know we have contributed to those changes. We can measure that.

We know that individuals on both sides have lied. We've evidence of that. Also now it's a political thing there is much to be gained by taking sides.

Scientists are accumulating data to determine how much of what is happening is us and how much is due to natural cycles. If it's mostly us then that is bad news, but we need to keep measuring over a longer time. (though cutting down on our effect on the environment makes sense in the meantime)

So saying it's conclusively proved or disproved is just muddying the waters and not helping.

"Distinguished weathercaster"??? Contradiction in terms, surely? Standing in front of a weathermap and telling people whether it's going to rain next day doesn't make anyone "distinguished".

'I didn't realise he was not a meteorologist because the Express article calls him "one of the world's leading meteorologists" '

I am not saying that Daily Mail articles are like Einstein, but they are damn close.

Am crying with laughter at this. Not sure if the OP is just having a bit of a laugh winding us up, but this is hilarious.