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Mumsnet in the news again....

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koshka1984 · 01/10/2006 11:47

In the Sunday Telegraph!

Cannot for the life of me find a link to it on the net, but will post as soon as i do!

It mentions the Pirate sex thread as if it was a serious thread....

No mention of Fanjo though!!!

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koshka1984 · 01/10/2006 16:10

ill type the rest just a mo...

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Kelly1978 · 01/10/2006 16:10

bully; if you?re jewish or muslim in the arctic circle, how do you keep ramadan or the sabbath, particularly at the tricky ends of the year?; did anybody watch monday?s ?silent witness? ? can you tell me what happened?

Although baby websites abound like headlice in a playground, most are worthy affairs in which mothers exchange weaning tips and post cutesy pictures of their infants. Mumsnet, on the other hand, occupies an altogether darker corner of the internet. ?Two things distinguish us from other parenting sites,? suggests Justine Roberts, one of the site?s co-founders. ?First, as our name suggests, we are not so much about children, as about the mums themselves. The second is our savage sense of humour.?

Nothing illustrates this better than the site?s recent showdown with the parenting expert Gina Ford. Although every baby site debates Ford?s controversial methods, Mumsnet?s uniquely raucous tone seems to have touched a particular nerve. After the posting ford straps babies to rockets and fires them into southern lebanon, her lawyers threatened to close the site permanently. It was subsequently agreed to ban all mentions of Ford. Within minutes of the veto being announced, a thread started entitled a thread with no title about nobody and nothing by no one. ?Well, all I can say is that I have nothing to say on this subject,? declared its author. ?Nada,? offered another. ?Niente,? a third.

Ruth March from north London, who has a son of 16 months and a second child on the way, is a typical Mumsnetter. ?In the early days of my son?s life I was really floundering and I didn?t know where to turn. The baby books all made me feel hopelessly inadequate, the other women in my antenatal group were so competitive they made me feel even worse, and my mum was hundreds of miles away ? and couldn?t remember anything about having babies anyway.? Desperately surfing for advice on colic, she stumbled across Mumsnet. ?It was a lifeline, full of other women who were having just as bad a time,? says March, who is 40. ?They didn?t have that much concrete advice, but knowing I was not alone immediately made it so much easier.?

From then on, March was hooked. ?I would sit holding my son to the breast with one hand, while the other was using the mouse to click on various threads. Mumsnetters were so smart and witty. It sounds corny but it made me really proud to be a mother. I thought, ?I may have lost my old life but if I can be part of this gang, then it?s worth it.?? As March regained her interest in the outer world, she continued to stick with Mumsnet. ?I virtually never use it for parenting advice now, though. I prefer to check out the ?Telly Addicts? or ?Environment? section, to see if any other mothers are watching How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria? and to discover I?m not the only mother outraged by the way supermarkets dole out plastic bags.?

Roberts, 38, set up Mumsnet in 2000 with two members of her antenatal class: Carrie Longton, 38, a television producer; and Rachel Foster, 37, a radio producer. ?The idea was for it to be like a Which? for mums, compiling our members? opinions on a list of baby products into a definitive review. The forum bit just happened to be attached,? Roberts recalls. But rapidly the chat element all but took over. Today it accounts for 80 per cent of the site?s traffic, attracting up to 10,000 posts per day.

For sociologists, Mumsnet gives a fascinating insight into the life of the British middle-class mummy. A recent census of 2,000 users showed that nearly two-thirds of Mumsnetters were in their thirties, with 13 per cent aged over 40. Three-quarters have a child under two, nearly half have a child under six and most have just one or two children. More than two-thirds were educated to degree level or beyond. Forty-two per cent had a household income of more than £50,000; 21 per cent worked full-time, 34 per cent worked parttime, 32 per cent were stay-at-home mothers. Postings reveal women who are (or were) lawyers, teachers, geneticists and City honchos.

Which means that, at any moment, members of the site will be engaging in heated debate about the issues de nos jours. 4 x 4s all driven by morons, one thread begins. is late motherhood as bad a problem as teenage mums? reads another. State versus independent schools is a perennial topic. There?s an outraged posting about how a Suzuki violin group will not allow children accompanied by nannies, alongside pleas for advice about the quality of Boden ?Sassy? jeans (?Cringing as I write this,? the writer says). One of the most impassioned spats, which lasted for months, was entitled should you feed your child grapes while going round the supermarket? (No, it?s stealing, said one side, while the other told them to ?get real?.) No wonder that, when David Cameron became Tory leader, one of his first moves was to conduct a live webchat on the site, where he was grilled on everything from breast-feeding rates to special-needs provisions.

For the voyeurs among us, there is a relationships page, where at any time a dozen soap operas are bubbling away: not proud of it but i have been unfaithful; well, it?s finally happened, he?s left and i feel like sh?; i think my mum is depressed how do i bring up the subject? One mother posted that she had just taken an overdose. Other Mumsnetters worked out who she was and called an ambulance, which arrived just in time. They had her daughter picked up from school, then raised £2,000 to pay for childcare when the mother returned home. Mothers who have to flee domestic

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Kelly1978 · 01/10/2006 16:11

iolence are not only given advice but offered a roof over their heads. There has been a virtual birth, when one mother went into labour online, guided by the midwife two hours away. After plenty of advice the thread went silent, before her husband came on announcing he?d delivered a daughter.

Much of the time, however, the mood is more frivolous. On a Friday or Saturday night a conversation will often appear entitled is the bar open?, followed by dozens of posts along the lines of, ?Chilled white wine, please,? as women all over the country, their children finally in bed, embark on a virtual girls? night out. It?s at these times that some of the wittiest threads get going. My current favourite is how Mumsnetters would have responded to historical events. Suggestions include: ?Wedding of Charles and Diana ? my MIL is a total cow, and DH won?t stick up for me. Need to rant?; ?Joan of Arc burned at the stake ? at least she didn?t have children?; ?The Boston tea party ? what shall I put in the party bags??; ?Elizabeth I takes the throne ? I bet she changes her mind when she has babies, you know, you can?t combine a serious commitment like children with running the country.?

In fact, the main drawback to Mumsnet seems to be that once you?re on it?s very hard to get off. ?I check Mumsnet all the time,? reads a typical comment. ?My children often stand at the bottom of the stairs, rattling the stairgate like they were inmates of an asylum, screaming, ?Mummy, where are you?? till they?re puce and running with tears. Ooh, feel a bit bad now, because you all think I?m exaggerating and actually I?m playing it down? ?

?We do take addictions very seriously,? Roberts says. ?We get emails all the time saying, ?Please can you police my access?? and they?re quite upset when they realise we can?t actually come into their homes and turn off their computers. A lot of Mumsnetters have regimes where they won?t allow themselves near the computer until 6pm, just like their mothers wouldn?t allow themselves alcohol before that time.?

Extraordinarily, the camaraderie instilled by Mumsnet is so strong that the wheel has now come full circle, and what started as a virtual community is transforming into a real one. Across the country, meetings regularly take place where Mumsnetters cast off their silly nicknames and find new friends. ?Sometimes I?m tempted to go to one, but I never would because I?ve laid too much of myself bare,? says Ruth March. ?I?d find it embarrassing sharing a pizza with women I?ve confessed to about my lack of sex drive and how I reuse dirty knickers from the laundry basket. And I?m frightened the bold, funny woman I?ve reinvented myself as online would be let down by the real me.?

Kelly1978 · 01/10/2006 16:11

I'm quite impressed with my fast typing

Kelly1978 · 01/10/2006 16:14

have started a new thread with the whole article in order, that gets confusing. I didnt realise it was over three pages until I started, now I'm off for a read!

southeastastralplain · 01/10/2006 16:15

well done kelly1978! thank you

KTeepee · 01/10/2006 16:19

We got a mention in the Observer too today!

FillyjonktheBananaEater · 01/10/2006 16:20

whoah kelly nice one

i couldn't work out how to cut and paste, tbh

koshka1984 · 01/10/2006 16:20

'A BULLY;IF YOU'RE JEWISH OR MUSLIM IN THE ARTIC CIRCLE, HOW DO YOU KEEP RAMADAN OR THE SABBATH, PARTICULALY AT THE TRICKY ENDS OF THE YEAR?;DID ANYBODY WATCH MONDAY'S SILENT WITNESS - CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED?
Although baby websites abound like headlice in a playground, most are worthy affairs in which mothers exchange weaning tips and post cutesy pictures of their infants. Mumsnet, on the other hand, occupies an altogether darker corner of the internet. 'Two things distinguish us from other parenting sites,' suggests Justine Roberts, one of the sites co-founders. 'First, as our name suggests, we are not so much about children, as about the mums themselves. The second is our savage sense of humor'
Nothing illustrates this better than the site's recent showdown with SWMNBN...more about her...blah

Ruth March from North London, who has a son of 16 months and a second on the way, is a typical Mumsnetter. 'In the early days of my son's life I was really flounderinng and I didn't know where to turn. The baby books all made me feel hopelessly inadequate, the other women in my antenatal group were so competative they made me feel even worse, and my mum was hundreds of miles away - and couldn't remember anything about having babies anyway.'

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southeastastralplain · 01/10/2006 16:20

where in the observer?

sallyscarystrawberry · 01/10/2006 16:21

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Xena · 01/10/2006 16:21

IMO a very great article. thanks for the speedy typing kelly

koshka1984 · 01/10/2006 16:21

ooops, was busy trying to type and feed my bubba...will slink off now...why didnt i just copy and paste....stoopid.

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Xena · 01/10/2006 16:23

one of the many things that mumsnet has changed about me sally .. commando I mean, never re worn knickers yucccck

sallyscarystrawberry · 01/10/2006 16:26

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Kelly1978 · 01/10/2006 16:27

I've been trying to find out who ruth march is! Poor prufock and frannyand zooey tho, that was a bit mean!

Ulysees · 01/10/2006 16:28

hiya sally I know i don't really fit the category either Dh does though.

iota · 01/10/2006 16:35

wot about us wiv a classical educashun then? I shoudda got a mention (but amd preening that one of my threads did)

lulumama · 01/10/2006 16:38

big big thank you kelly...xx

Joolstoo · 01/10/2006 16:41

I'm shocked the bf/formula threads didn't earn a mention!

Joolstoo · 01/10/2006 16:47

'e-telegraph' doesn't feature in my menu????

Rhubarb · 01/10/2006 16:54

Has she outed herself yet?

KellyKrueger1978 · 01/10/2006 16:56

its telegraph e paper. But the whole article is posted on another thread.

Kidstrack · 01/10/2006 17:08

fabbo kelly! Ye for mumsnet! Can't beleive they put the pirate bit in, pms

soaringflyingCOD · 01/10/2006 17:10

right i will carry on mumsnettign till i get a broadsheet mention
then ladies i will retire.