Little boy has been removed from hospital by his parents

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He is very sick, needs constant treatment. His parents have taken him to France.

I don't understand why the hospital didn't notice or alert the police for 6 hours.

The police won't comment on the parents being Jehovah's Witnesses.

It sounds wrong when the statement said he was removed without consent. The child is theirs, should be allowed to be in charge of him, but of course it is he that will lose his life if not cared for and that isn't in his best interests necessarily.

I hope he is found and can be cured.

You're right - I thought id reflected that.

Nerf, I think the way the hospital has mislead [on the issue of the NG feeding and the equipment] has made some people suspicious.

In making it sound like the parents were doing something that meant their child would starve, they put them in a bad light. It was total bollocks.

That and the fact that sometimes hospitals do get it wrong and some will have experience/knowledge of that kind of thing.

An enquiry, and the right of the parents to remove their children from hospital (which is not a crime in itself), without the parents being chased across Europe.

I would also like to express my disgust that the parents are now separated from a poorly boy, and could potentially now be removed to a separate country from their child. Despite the fact that they were seeking out better/alternative treatment for him.

I am no legal eagle, or medical expert. I am just a very normal mum- but the whole treatment of the family (and the subsequent demonisation by the press), makes me feel sick to my core.

common sense appears to be sadly lacking if these parents are pit in front of judges, extradited and charged

I believe the Health Sec should initiate an independent inquiry so this farce does not occur in future.

Trouble is that organisational arrogance will probably prevent the
Police and hospital from admitting they got it wrong and backing down

They are in a hole and yet they continue to dig.

It's a very depressing example of the way our public services seem to function these days - inaction followed by overreaction

You are very, very naive and mistaken if you think the NHS will provide or fund proton beam therapy in all cases where it can be of benefit. In the extreme.

Who would be in a position alter this now that it seems to have snowballed into this ridiculous situation.

Could the judge who issued the EPO or extradition warrant withdraw the order if it was issued based on exaggerated dangers(feeding machine/lack of medication)?

Who can actually make a difference now ?

Too bad the police never went after all those known paedophiles in Rotherham with the same gusto.

I work in cp and I have seen parents who have been accused of the most horrendous crimes against the children be arrested or questioned by the police, released on bail and then have a legal right to see their children under supervision.

Why are these parents being sent to another country?

I think the crux of this is the misinformation from SGH. Without that there would be no EPO. Without the EPO they could not be arrested as they have committed no offence. Without an offence they could not be extradited.

So in answer to nerfs post I would like the DR who briefed the police to give an account as to what he said.

It may of course be proved that SGO misled the police and the courts. But of course as this will be done in the private family court we will more than likely not find out. Unless of course there is an enquiry....

Um- rainbow, not sure if it was me that was being called naive? If so, that isn't one of my gripes with this situation. I am unfortunately aware of resource issues.

However, that doesn't appear to be relevant really in this case, as the family were evidently thinking they'd fund it themselves.

*SGH

Thank you potbelly - it's interesting to hear what you would like to know.
Rainbow, if that was directed at me, thanks but no need.

It's not always all about you, winner

maryz that is where I am coming from.

I understand that a over zealous Dr at SGH might give exaggerated info to the police.

I can understand that the police had to follow through on this, and I get why they would need to ensure Ashya was ok.

I get that a family court can only work on information that they are given, which appears to be misinformation.

I also get that they might need to question the parents as to their motives and how they cared for him.

I DONT get why they are being separated from 7 children, one who is seriously ill, and be appearing before court tomorrow.

If you were in the uk, you could shake your child, thump him, stamp on him etc etc and you would be allowed to be with that child in hospital under supervision.

I can't believe they are separating a very ill child from his parents on a trumped up charge. This is supposed to be helping him? I can't believe they are separating the other six children (am assuming the other 6 are somewhere between 6 and 16) from their parents. This is very traumatic for all involved.

It is actually unbelievable. I don't know in whose interests the police, the hospital are acting. What is the motivation here? Their treatment of this child in this moment in time makes me dubious about the motives from the outset. They are not considering his best interests for one minute here.

nerf

Have you noticed the amount of people quite significantly involved in child protection expressing horror at the actions of the police and hospital on this thread?

This is what gets to me too, those in positions of power trot out "Best interests of the children" "We didn't want a dead child to answer for" well you know there is no dead child.

What about the six children with only a teen sibling to look after them all, with goodness knows what ability to speak Spanish and goodness knows what access to Euro's? One child ill, in a strange hospital with HCP's speaking a different language, how they have someone with excellent English able to read all the notes and how quickly did they get the notes over to Spain?

Slow clap, if that is their idea of the best interests of those six children!!!

How on earth is it in the best interests of a desperately ill five year old to be alone in a foreign hospital with his parents in jail? And being messed around in a court? Not to mention the ongoing effects of all the stress on the family when the state finally gets its sticky beak out of the situation.

This is going to be one massive round of official arse-covering at the continued expense of the family.

cross post gimme, that wasn't aimed at you.

I suspect merrmarigold that the Dr's in question have their own interests at heart rather than the child's.

I have a DS with additional needs. There are some wonderful Dr's who will listen to what you think and discuss and go along with what you suspect/believe he needs. Even if they don't agree with you. I am in awe of these Dr's as this must be quite difficult to do.

I've also come across some extremely arrogant Dr's who think that I am a muppet with no intelligence or insight into my sons needs. I think the term is 'god complex' and I understand it's well documented.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation I feel thst this little boy needs his parents more than anyone or anything else now. It is abusive of the authorities to arrest the parents at this time and to take them from their child. These parents were under horrific stress and anxious to whatever they could for their child, they were watching their child suffering and felt they had to try and take control. How arrogant of those who seek to judge them.

It is unlikely that the child will be abducted again and the hospital should be more than capable of ensuring this does not happen. I cannot believe how badly this has been handled, by the hospitals,the police and the media. Let them be with their child, there will be plenty of time for recriminations later.

Sick amnesty - no I haven't, maybe one or two who claim to be involved in CP. And how many haven't posted? It's a nonsensical question.

'Sock'