Little boy has been removed from hospital by his parents

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He is very sick, needs constant treatment. His parents have taken him to France.

I don't understand why the hospital didn't notice or alert the police for 6 hours.

The police won't comment on the parents being Jehovah's Witnesses.

It sounds wrong when the statement said he was removed without consent. The child is theirs, should be allowed to be in charge of him, but of course it is he that will lose his life if not cared for and that isn't in his best interests necessarily.

I hope he is found and can be cured.

Hak I think he meant that their side of things (like the video on youtube) wouldnt get out at all.

"What I am 99% sure will happen is they will be silenced immediately and we will never hear their side of the story again. It is always the way."

How do you think they will be silenced?

Greengrow- you are extrapolating an awful lot from the the father's video.

By being threatened, or being offered to have the treatment funded as long as they don't say anything else ever.

My friends son was abused in a special school here. I was with her when the authorities said "if you don't say anything, we will do right by your DS and send him to x (private special) school funded by us.

And there he is, thriving in the school, and there she is, feeling shit about every other abuse story coming out of that school but not saying anything in fear they will revoke funding for her child's placement.

According to C4 news the parents are being held in separate cells awaiting their extradition hearing. Their son is in hospital. The NHS says the treatment is available on the NHS if the doctor recommends it but it has to be carried out abroad.

So it would seem that whether he got the treatment on the NHS would depend of the view of the child's doctor.

And now other cases are coming forward where parents themselves have had to research the possibility of proton therapy, explain its benefits to the doctors treating their children and persuade them to recommend it.

Absolutely crazy

See I normally agree with you hakluyt, but I don't in this. I think green has described the video perfectly.

they'll be silenced by being charged with a crime when they have been extradited.

Once they've been charged they will have been effectively silenced as the matter will then be dub judice

Finally on C4 news an admission by an oncologist that it's all about cost. The Americans it seems routinely use this proton therapy for children with brain tumours

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But what crime could they be charged with? They haven't committed one......

Of course it's about cost. That, and whether the cost is justified when the child has a poor prognosis and is already quite severely brain damaged.

Have attended a lecture on the NHS proton referral scheme and the main reason they gave for medulloblastoma not being on the list of accepted conditions was that the children are often medically unstable due to their initial treatment. There is also a time pressure to start radiotherapy. This makes transferring to a hospital in another European country logistically very difficult.

It is about cost, and while we are lucky enough to have a national healthcare service, costs will always be considered because of this. but the parent in this case was willing to fund it himself, so cost shouldn't have come into it.

This non-case is ridiculous.

Thing is if the parents are extradited to the uk all we will have is silence as child care proceedings are all held in private. The parents will not be able to comment on it and neither will any spokesman as they would face further prosecution.

Although the government say they are making family courts more open the reality is the local authority in question will apply to the courts to silence anyone one wants to comment publicly about a childcare case.

I don't understand how the bbc report that they have committed no crime and yet they are appearing before the counts tomorrow of the first extradition hearing. Genuine question btw.

Of course cost comes into it but there is a list of about 20 other conditions that are given automatic consideration for funding and so I don't believe it is purely a cost issue.

"Hakluyt will you just stop making those massive hints and just come out with why you think the parents have been arrested, what they have done, why they are still under arrest."

No,honestly, I have no idea. It seems to be completely bizarre that they have been arrested under the circumstances. I can't understand why that isn't the first thing people want to know.

It think that the courts in the uk have issued an emergency protection order on ashya. As far as I know this would mean that they can apply for the parents (and ashya if they saw fit) to be brought back to the uk. An EPO appears to me to have been issued upon false information from SGH (feeding issue).

I fail to see why this needs to be done now. The parents should be allowed to be with ashya and their 6 other children. The issues can be dealt with at a later date surely?

Does nobody think that there might be more to this? I am stunned by the general (with few exceptions) consensus that the hospital and police are baddies and the parents are totally justified in their actions.
Surely there must be a recognition that the hospital can't give detail?
The gist of threads had been, poor child, they've taken him to die in peace and now, poor child they've taken him for treatment the NHS are cruelly denying for no good reason whatsoever. That might even be the case, but I don't understand what I'm missing - why the total assumption that the hospital/police are in the wrong?

From reading the Facebook page, it would seem that both parents are in custody, in separate cells. That Ashya is in hospital, under armed supervision, and that none of the rest of the family are with him.

They are facing the judge- tomorrow I think, and that they will either need to agree of not to the extradition order. The charge, again I believe from reading the snippets, is child abuse. Quite how they have apparently abused him I am unsure, seeing as he has received a similar level of care to what he was getting in hospital, and they were seeking out 'more effective' care in the short term.

World gone nuts. I cannot believe that this is European news, it seems dark and surreal. I feel like a helpless member of the general public, as I want to get my voice heard in my disgust over the matter, and really don't know who to campaign to. My MP? The police? UK Courts?

Genuine question - what do you want to campaign for?
An enquiry?
The right of parents to remove children from hospital?
All children to receive PB therapy despite prognosis (do away with panel)?

In line with the families beliefs, I would pray to God for them.