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Little boy has been removed from hospital by his parents

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Itsfab · 29/08/2014 13:42

He is very sick, needs constant treatment. His parents have taken him to France.

I don't understand why the hospital didn't notice or alert the police for 6 hours.

The police won't comment on the parents being Jehovah's Witnesses.

It sounds wrong when the statement said he was removed without consent. The child is theirs, should be allowed to be in charge of him, but of course it is he that will lose his life if not cared for and that isn't in his best interests necessarily.

I hope he is found and can be cured.

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GimmeMySquash · 31/08/2014 17:18

They are not fundraising for treatment, the NHS said they are going to pay for the treatment.

Nerf · 31/08/2014 17:18

Does it seem a possible scenario is that the hospital disagreed that proton treatment would be beneficial (it can be funded via NHS apparently in some cases) and said they would continue with traditional treatment and parents fled because they didn't want that to happen?
Hospital, believing themselves to have made the correct treatment decision, and with no knowledge of the family's intentions needed to ensure his safety. What of they had done nothing and the family had made other choices? They can't just allow ill children to vanish.

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GimmeMySquash · 31/08/2014 17:22

The NHS has said they will fund the treatment the parents want for their ds, according to a statement they released earlier today. It has been referred to several times on this thread.

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MerryMarigold · 31/08/2014 17:26

I'm glad they are getting what they believe is the best treatment for their child. Yes, sad it took this. But I bet they are glad and felt it was worth all this. Hope the little boy is ok though, and not too terrified by his parents' removal.

GimmeMySquash · 31/08/2014 17:27

They said in a statement TODAY, that they would fund the treatment.

GimmeMySquash · 31/08/2014 17:28

They parents may not know the NHS is funding the treatment, the poor things are in prison Sad.

Nerf · 31/08/2014 17:32

Can't find anything specifying the NHS will fund the treatment they want only a court appearance on Monday and extradition to follow.

Nerf · 31/08/2014 17:35

A spokesman for University Hospital Southampton NHS Foundation Trust said: "Our priority has always been Ashya's welfare and we are delighted that he has been found.
"We are now working closely with colleagues in Malaga to ensure he receives the essential medical support he needs.
"We are aware of the comments made online by his father.
"Throughout Ashya's admission we have had conversations about the treatment options available to him, and we had offered the family access to a second opinion as well as assistance with organising treatment abroad."

That's all I can find

GimmeMySquash · 31/08/2014 17:36

ITV news four hours ago. "assistance with organising treatment abroad."

Ah, that is not very clear is it, what the abroad treatment would be? From a trust who twisted the child was in grave danger from a feeding device that had many ways of being operated other than a battery pack.

KneeQuestion · 31/08/2014 17:39

Hmm

Assistance with organising isn't the same as funding is it?

Is there anything that states the trust will fund proton beam therapy?

GimmeMySquash · 31/08/2014 17:46

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29003431

Nerf · 31/08/2014 17:48

That's exactly what I've just cut and pasted - there is no way that could be interpreted as 'we will fund proton therapy' as has been stated as fact on this thread. All the accusations of misinformation from the police and hospital are a bit rich if posters can't even understand a couple of sentences.

WetAugust · 31/08/2014 18:11

The Police are now back peddling like crazy claiming they only persued this urgently as they were told by the hospital that the child's life was in danger.

Expect one big round of Not Me Guv from all th agencies involved.

I think the word we are search for is dissembling or being economical with the actualitie

Medical support is not medical treatment

Assistance us not funding

This whole sorry affair is crying out for N investigation. The problem is that any complaint will be investigated by the hospital themselves who will naturally find they have acted appropriately

Anyway the next step us for the Spanish court to consider the extradition request. The DPP could put an end to this nonsense right now by deciding the parents have no case to answer.

Come on DPP.

Leave this family in peace

Darkesteyes · 31/08/2014 18:11

BBC News have just said that a lot of the comments on social media have been quite cruel towards the parents. Do they not read the comments properly?

The grandmother has been on the news via phone saying that her flat was searched.

Hakluyt · 31/08/2014 18:13

Why are the parents in prison?

Icimoi · 31/08/2014 18:16

Look at it logically: why would a father take his ill child from a hospital? Could it be:
1) because he wants treatment that he has been told the child will not get in the UK and has been told that he won't get permission to take the child to another country where he might get said treatment
or
2) because he doesn't give a shit and doesn't care if the child dies

Or

  1. Because he's misunderstood what the hospital said to him and hasn't tried to get further advice.

The hospital has said it was perfectly prepared to help the family access treatment elsewhere and to get a second opinion. Why are we saying we must automatically disbelieve them rather than a father who was aware that the police was looking for him and may have been uneasily thinking that he had acted unwisely? After all, it's not as if he took the child to Czechoslovakia where he seems to have been planning on getting the treatment - he took him across Europe to another country which doesn't offer it apparently in the hope of being able to raise the funds at some point.

I completely believe that the family thought they were acting in their child's interests, but I just don't understand why they took him abroad without having the proton beam therapy organised and without getting any legal advice. It has uncomfortable echoes of those cases where parents get advised by totally irresponsible scaremongers to flee the country rather than risk social services investigations when that's absolutely the worst advice you can get. Just for clarity, I'm absolutely not saying that a social services investigation was warranted or contemplated here.

Darkesteyes · 31/08/2014 18:18

DH just said if this had happened 15 years ago pre social media the parents would have been vilified by everyone because the full story would never have got out.

Hakluyt · 31/08/2014 18:22

"DH just said if this had happened 15 years ago pre social media the parents would have been vilified by everyone because the full story would never have got out."

But the full story hasn't got out in this case either.

Why are the parents still in prison? If they are?

Greengrow · 31/08/2014 18:24

The fathjer's very clear coherent video on youtube to which I linked above said ht was told by the doctors they would proceed with radiotherapy and chemo which we know often handicaps the child for life and he was NOT given time to remortgage his house to raise funds to take the child to the clinic in the Czech republic for proton treatment. That is why he was left with no choice but the take the child away as the hospital said they would get a court order to force the radiotherapy on the boy.

What the father would have preferred is not have the treatment forced on the boy and time to stay in England to raise the funds for the treatment abroad.

What I think is really important is these parents continue to be allowed to communicate rather than be made to shut up by the authorities so we get both sides of the story. What I am 99% sure will happen is they will be silenced immediately and we will never hear their side of the story again. It is always the way.