The Rotherham 1,400 children plus – WHO is responsible?

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The Rotherham situation, where the authorities appear to have done NOTHING to protect children in care, goes back 16-years, as it appears there was a largely ethnic element involved and ‘the powers that CONTINUE to be’ in a job, were afraid in that political climate, to be seen as ‘racists’, but why?

I can remember posting when anyone even daring to mention the affects of immigration on housing, jobs and local services were called ‘racist’, sometimes whole posts/threads were deleted on media boards (even the Daily Mail) - while the government of the day, not held to account by the media on their side, were free to continue a ‘multicultural’ agenda they adopted in their first few years they never sought at the ballot box.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2354713/BBC-chief-admits-We-deep-liberal-bias-migrants--changed.html

But as this article points out, the fear of being accused a racist, affected even household conversations.
“Are we all racist now?”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10860492/Are-we-all-racist-now.html

And the problem with secret sofa government policies, where local authorities and media compliance is key to continued electoral success, is that you can’t be SEEN to raise ethnic issues OR plan ahead for the numbers in homes, healthcare or schools – especially in a 2010 General Election manifesto, in electoral damage limitation mode.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

The 2000’s seem to be a time when our public sector/local government numbers increased enormously, but seemed to both have THEIR OWN POLITICAL agendas, and failed so many vulnerable people, especially children in and out of care.

For no one in Rotherham to take responsibility for what happened to the 1,400 children (we know about), is a national disgrace – that is not good enough.

edam i feel the same what is happening right now to protect these children, still being abused in care.

Sorry, the assumptions about men there aren't feminist dogma, feminists tend to assume that men are capable of controlling their sexual behaviour and demand that they do so. But there is a cultural assumption that men have higher sex drives and are less able to control their desires - PP allude to this when they go, well yeah, of course this was men. But you don't come across gangs of women rounding up the vulnerable for their sexual gratification, do you? No, and we narratavise this as a symptom of sexual differences, suggesting that men are less able to control themselves, more interested in emotion free sex. I call bullshit on this - emotion free sex is in this context a euphemism for disregarding the equality of the person you're having sex with, it's bullshit that men can't control themselves. They can, and are making choices and those choices are in this context about the fact that they don't regard their victims as fully human, and see no need to, as no.one else does either. Added to this the fact that everything around them in popular culture tells them that urges to fuck underage girls are a sign of their virility and manhood. We created these men and it's bullshit and a form of moral cowardice to look for a.reason, any reason, that means that this group of perpetrators are so substantively different that we can just write them off as other and congratulate ourselves for righteously damning them. They embody values of this culture and our own communities, and it is those values we should be addressing if we really want these sorts of crimes to end.

I’m not sure if anyone saw the Channel 4 “Pakistan’s Streets of Shame “ last Monday the 1st September, but I urge ANYONE looking to even begin to understand the cultural EXTENT of the ‘grooming’ problem - they have to see this programme, as it shocked even their own politicians when seen.

Filmed in the city of Peshawa, men wanting sex and weakly justified by their faith (that categorically forbids it), in leaving their women alone, are involved in socially systemic sex/rape of young boys, often in public places, usually from 7-years old upwards.

Many of the boys are ‘street children’ who may first decide to have sex with a man in order to eat, or raped, may get the equivalent of 75p – in a land with 1 million heroin addicts, with 30% of them HIV positive – who THEMSELVES become drug addicts to forget their squalid existence and abusers of children not much younger than themselves..

Bus drivers, driving small buses looking like something out of Mad Max look to be the most prolific, as they often sleep in make shift motels with no privacy, and expect those running the facility to provide young boys at night – but there are streets, areas, cinemas, where any man can indulge in sex with boys, WITH NO SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY/STIGMA to concern themselves with.

Of 1,500 men surveyed, 33% of them said sex/rape of very young boys is neither a crime, or even a sin.

And one young boy they focused on, who ran away from home some time ago when his parents died and his brothers treatment of him – when his brother was TOLD of what had sexually happened, said his brother brought shame on his family and elders of his village – and said if he’d known of his brothers (raped) disgrace, he’d have burned him alive.

Clearly a hard hitting documentary and IMO may go some way to even BEGIN understanding the mind sexual frustrations/mind set of those discouraged from interacting and having relationships with women of their own nationality/culture - and the consequences when going unchecked.

sounds awful isitme.

I had an incident with some polish shop keepers a while back, in desperation I called the police, the police man said " they probably do not like a woman telling them something, however this is the UK, not Poland, and women have equal rights here, let me try and have a chat with them. "

now imagine, if every police man in this country took that attitude, the right attitude.

we cannot clearly force communities who have different values to adhere to ours, except when they break the law, or try to erode our values, have the police to defend them!

similarly with Yorkshire police, not sure what division I wrote to them a while back concerning a noitirous car park in Hawarth, Bronte town.

This car park has been over news, been debated in parliament, had programs made about it, its private land, with resident clamper on site to clamp you for contravening any of their rules, they clamped disabled vans for sticking out over so called bay lines, ( rubble land on car park) clamped the elderly baroness boothroyd etc, vicious horrors BUT, many people who had been clamped said " we stupidly took a ticket from a nice couple just leaving and we were clamped for it".

funnily enough the nice couple handing out the ticket matched the same description every time, there was also talk of the clock on the ticket machine being fiddled.
i emailed the local police to ask them if they were aware of these claims and what were they going to do, they said " we don't think people who want to take the ticket in the first place are trustworthy or make good witness"

i think the police force is rotten there.

Not saying it's related to this specific case, but came across this today

www.exaronews.com/articles/5348/scotland-yard-delays-200-charges-over-claims-of-child-sex-abuse

just seen new only 14 people of rotherham turned out to question the counsellors?

14?

what is wrong with us? education is failing woefully.

Interesting piece in the Guardian yesterday. The CSA lead from the CPS states that 80-90% of perpetrators of CSA are white. The thing that links them all is that they are men.

Article here

*Just seen new only 14 people of rotherham turned out to question the counsellors?

WHAT??????!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm trying to find reports about that and not having any success - please do you have any links?

Capt - the statistics are flawed because rape and abuse by Asian gangs has been ignored by the police for decades, so will have been under-reported.

There will be more white offenders because the majority population is white, but we have no idea how many crimes by Asian or other ethnic minority offenders (a couple of those convicted in some of the cases are Kurdish for e.g.) have been reported but not recorded. They may match the proportion of that ethnic minority in the population, they may not. We have no idea.

I also think the issue of taxi drivers is interesting. They seem to have been among the perpetrators in Rotherham, possibly the main offenders. In lots of towns I know the taxi trade has become almost entirely Asian - I don't know why, but in my small town in the South East, and the nearest two big towns either side, every taxi driver is Muslim and Pakistani or Bangladeshi. (Dh is good friends with some of them, and a nodding acquaintance of the rest, I'm not casing any aspersions on these particular chaps.) Same in the big city up North that I come from.

A monoculture in any occupation is worrying. In this case perhaps it contributed to the formation of rapist gangs? Close ties/same culture?

Is it easy for non-Muslim non-Pakistanis to become cab drivers? How are councils allocating licences? I had forgotten but years ago had a white cabbie in Sheffield really upset - not racist rant but genuinely distressed - because he said the council were only handing out new licences to Asian men and therefore getting rid of drivers from other backgrounds by attrition/turnover. At the time I didn't really think about it in any depth - assumed he was mistaken. Now I wonder...

Pleased to see that Sheffield City Council yesterday had a unanimous vote of no confidence in the South Yorks Police & Crime Commissioner.

edam lots going on we have no idea about.

so many back ground links we cant even begin to fathom, we have a troubled street and that troubled has come from particular houses and shops, all linked together and council have said they don't know how, includes taxi drivers/taxi business owners, also owning problem houses and shops. so many repeated problems and complaints and we have found same, council seem to bend the rules to suit the perpetrators.

many houses on the street had one issue at one time ( among many) and when many of us complained, it was US they tried to punish, explain that?

on a far lower level than the poor poor parents of the abuse cases we have had the condescending council worker stone walling us, dismissing concerns and so on, and ignoring their own legislation. i totally understand these families frustrations.

The 2001 census states south Asians make up 4.4% of the population. Pakistanis will be a sub section along with Indian, Bangladeshi etc. So obviously they won t be carrying out most of the child sexual abuse. But it still looks like they are very over represented in gang led sexual abuse and rape of young girls.

beyond, that must be very frustrating and sounds horribly remniscent of the same factors that allowed sex crime in Rotherham to flourish.

Indeed Bob. I wonder what 2011 census said? The ethnic minority population has been growing extraordinarily rapidly for the last 20 years - apparently faster than at any time since the Norman Conquest. Is it 1/4 of babies born to foreign-born mothers now, or more? (Obv. many people with ethnic minority background were born here, and foreigner does not = ethnic minority, but it's one related indicator of many. And whatever the population stats, of course sex abusers are a small minority of a. men and b. any ethnic group including the majority)

Silly of me. I should just ignore the one thing linking all of the perpetrators of the recent grooming stories and concentrate on the thing that links a few of them.

Why are you all so afraid to name the problem of male violence notallmen? Since when did naming male violence become worse than coming across as a racist?

And again, to reiterate, what the Muslim men did to the children, predominantly, but not exclusively white girls was down to the way they have been socialised to believe that non Muslim girls are fair game and easy meat. You know, for the people who want to claim that I a) don't care about the victims in Rotherham or b) that I am some kind of hand wringing lefty liberal, erm idealogue, umm idiot.

Since when did indiscriminate predators like Jimmy Saville become 'better' than these grooming gangs? I am completely flummoxed by it.

I do agree though on the taxi drivers question, although not on the racial make-up of drivers, certainly not anywhere I've lived anyway. There do seem to be a disproportionate number of licensed cab drivers who then go on to perpetrate awful crimes, John Warboys being a case in point. They can hide in plain sight, they are supposed to have strangers in their cars and the authorities simply don't believe people when they make complaints about them

Capt no one is saying saville was a better class of sexual abuser. I think we all agree he was vile. He was an individual mostly acting alone, albeit unchallenged by a cohort of people who knew what he was doing, but were intimidated by his sheer force of personalityEdam I am sure the proportion of ethnic minorities has increased since 2001, but I still think Pakistanis are over represented in grooming gangs. It also sounds like other cases will be coming to light. Sooner or later society will have to look into reasons why,but clearly there is a lot of resistance.
Re taxis,in the smallish Kentish town I partly grew up in I have noticed a near complete tak over of services by Asian, Turkish and Eastern European drivers. This in the last 5-10 years.

To all those who criticize parents by saying it's down to parental control,you haven't lived it.My daughter like many was groomed by girls from her class whilst in school as the perpetrators got girls to befriend her.We had at least two years of searching the streets at night as she would go missing from school ,we gathered names,car ref numbers,addresses and called the police daily.By the time we found out she had been groomed she was already brainwashed.She was locked in houses,threats were made against her but still nothing got done.So please don't judge if you don't understand.You may say why did she return,the answer was the threat of violence towards a US her family and herself.We went to our mp and social services,the school and anyone we could think of but got little help.We even got into trouble for locking her in the house as its classed as imprisonment,we couldn't win.We took her out of the country even.We dint live in Rotherham but in west Yorkshire and its happening everywhere.

yorkshire have you gone back to your police now...maybe something would be done now, its a collective problem, and I think schools need to take more responsibilty on for it too, our children are in their care from 9 to 3.

teachers need to keep eyes and ears out, i was horrified to read a girl with LD was picked up every day and a group of men were very obviously waiting for her, at school, what the hell was the school doing?

Look at ALL THAT FUSS over the school girl who ran away with her teacher????????

THAT was not accepted was it?

Yorkshire thanks for coming over here and injecting some reality and lived experience into this.
Like those poor girls who became sex workers in Ipswich and were murdered by the serial killer- several came from normal, supportive families but were introduced to heroin by peers/ boyfriends. I can totally understand that during the turbulent teenage years,a family may lose a daughter to harmful influences. We like to think it won t happen to us, if we read the childcare manuals, work at being good parents we are sheltered from this. But we are not.

Yorkshire, taking your daughter out of the country shows just how bad it was, and just how much you loved her. I can't imagine what you've all been through. I think all those authorities who ignored you should have to answer for criminal negligence.

Thanks for the support,my daughter did do video evidence but have been told without the other girls evidence the case would fall apart before it got to court,I'm hoping for a national enquiry so people will realise the enormity of this horrific crime.Any parent worried about their children please don't be put off by not getting help keep reporting to everyone you can and keep logs and diaries.Parents can get help and non judgemental support and advice from PACE a registered charity,check out their website.( Pace,parents against child sexual exploitation).

well until something actually happens to the police who turned a blind eye and the council who deliberate acted against the girls and the families, not much will be done.

oh yes and it becomes law to ignore abuse too, not much will be done.

I do agree though on the taxi drivers question, although not on the racial make-up of drivers

No, well, you wouldn't would you. It just Would Not Do to focus whatsoever on race, would it. Not ever.