The Rotherham 1,400 children plus – WHO is responsible?

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The Rotherham situation, where the authorities appear to have done NOTHING to protect children in care, goes back 16-years, as it appears there was a largely ethnic element involved and ‘the powers that CONTINUE to be’ in a job, were afraid in that political climate, to be seen as ‘racists’, but why?

I can remember posting when anyone even daring to mention the affects of immigration on housing, jobs and local services were called ‘racist’, sometimes whole posts/threads were deleted on media boards (even the Daily Mail) - while the government of the day, not held to account by the media on their side, were free to continue a ‘multicultural’ agenda they adopted in their first few years they never sought at the ballot box.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2354713/BBC-chief-admits-We-deep-liberal-bias-migrants--changed.html

But as this article points out, the fear of being accused a racist, affected even household conversations.
“Are we all racist now?”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10860492/Are-we-all-racist-now.html

And the problem with secret sofa government policies, where local authorities and media compliance is key to continued electoral success, is that you can’t be SEEN to raise ethnic issues OR plan ahead for the numbers in homes, healthcare or schools – especially in a 2010 General Election manifesto, in electoral damage limitation mode.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

The 2000’s seem to be a time when our public sector/local government numbers increased enormously, but seemed to both have THEIR OWN POLITICAL agendas, and failed so many vulnerable people, especially children in and out of care.

For no one in Rotherham to take responsibility for what happened to the 1,400 children (we know about), is a national disgrace – that is not good enough.

Where is Nazir now? He sounds like someone who is key to resolve this attitude that some have towards white women.

Of course he is right. The community should carry their own stick but its interesting that others within his community berated him for doing so. That's where the issue is. It is seem as acceptable to have these views

'I too would like to see a mass outcry from the Pakistani community.'

This is not fair because the mass of the Pakistani community did nothing wrong. There were Pakistani and other criminals who did wrong and the authorities did not do nearly enough to stop it, but innocent Pakistani individuals should not have to apologise for what criminals did.

That is a diversion from why this was not stopped by our authorities.

Completely disagree Claig. without the support of the Pakistani we are not going to change these views. Communities have settled in various parts of the Uk, they bring their own culture and views. Sometimes these views are wrong. We need to stamp this out not allow it to continue and effectively turn a blind eye

I'm wondering if there are similar stones to be unturned in Oldham and Rochdale amongst other towns. Not just the dreadful abuses, but the denial and collusion of the authorities.

handcream, there are milliions of Pakistanis in Britain and they don't think or do what these criminals did. There will always be criminals and there will always be racists who see white girls as "white trash" or otherwise.

The fact that our authorities knew about what was happening and did not stop it is truly shocking and one has to ask the question why.

The simple answer is to think that they are all PC loonies who have been brainwashed by a PC agenda, but that can't be the reality.

The reality is possibly worse - that the coverup was partly due to politics.

peacefuloptimist …. That was an interest post you kindly repeated on the bottom of the last page, re our Chief Prosecutor champion, Nazil Afzal

A big question from the following link is WHY did the CPS drop the case to prosecute those responsible in 2009 – lack of evidence, lost evidence, or political as just before the General Election????

newsatw.com/shocking-failure-over-sex-abuse/
"Nazil Afzal, chief prosecutor with the Crown Prosecution Service in the North West, whose office dropped the grooming case initially in 2009, said: “I absolutely accept that things didn’t go well for us and other agencies, but people can feel some sense of reassurance that we are now bringing more cases to court.”

As one of the victims said tabout the authorities and figures involved, on this morning's BBC news programme, they aren't sorry about the abuse she and others were subjected to, they're sorry that they were found out, found wanting and are now under scrutiny from the media.
The pity is all for themselves.

I am now starting to think it is number 2 and numbers 1 and 3 will be used to deflect from number 2.

More about Nazir Afzal and the quote here:

www.nytimes.com/2013/09/11/world/europe/feminism-a-good-fit-for-one-good-muslim-boy.html

I agree with Claig that it is unfair to expect the whole Pakistani community to have to answer for the crimes just because they share the same ethnicity just as it would be unfair to ask any other ethnic group to have to apologise and speak out when members of the same ethnic group commit that crime. The Pakistani community can not be expected to police itself just like no other community should. We dont practise vigilantism in the UK and shouldnt have to. I think its also unfair to try and pin the blame on the parents and families of those committing these crimes especially the women many of whom may have been absolutely clueless as to what was going on.

I also think the fear of racism excuse is a smokescreen to avoid the authorities having to face some difficult questions for ignoring these hideous crimes for so long. Where is their fear of racism when they are tackling fraud, drug trafficking, gun crimes, terrorism etc. These were clear cut cases of child sexual abuse, exploitation, sex trafficking and rape. There was nothing ambiguous about them and the number of witnesses and people involved would have meant it would have been very easy for them to charge and prosecute these men. How on earth did they come to the conclusion not to do anything? This article also ofers some interesting views about the topic.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/27/poor-children-seen-as-worthless-rotherham-abuse-scandal

Op from what I have read of the report it concluded that racism fears was not why these crimes were not dealt with but that councillors and police wanted to play down the race aspect to prevent creating tensions which I think is fair enough considering the number of far right groups who have seized on this story to promote their racist agenda. However I think simply making this in to a race issue does an injustice to the ethnic minority victims of sex grooming. Very few people know about the asian and black victims of sex grooming b ecause of the sensational media coverage of the white victims. The focus of this story should be about how to protect young people from child sex abuse and this phenomenon of grooming gangs not about the culture of a largely law abiding community.

'Treating victims like criminals, and not taking them seriously, failing to prosecute obvious crimes. This is at the front line in SS, police in particular. In part, it stems from societal views about sexual violence, misogyny and classism.'

I find it hard to believe this is true because if it were, then it woud be the same across all areas of the country, and we know that lots of training and changes have occurred in our services in this area over the decades. If it were true then this would be true everywhere. These coverups would then be occurring everywhere and they are not as far as we know.

Btw not that they refused to deal with the crime but that they didnt want to make this in to a race issue rather than the child protection issue it clearly is.

'I have read of the report it concluded that racism fears was not why these crimes were not dealt with but that councillors and police wanted to play down the race aspect to prevent creating tensions which I think is fair enough considering the number of far right groups who have seized on this story to promote their racist agenda.'

I think this may have been a political factor behind why this was covered up.

If the criminals had been white men, I doubt it would have remained silent for so long.

'Btw not that they refused to deal with the crime but that they didnt want to make this in to a race issue rather than the child protection issue it clearly is.'

But why didn't they deal with the crime and arrest the perpetrators earlier and listen to the victims and parents etc?

handcream I dont think the actions of these men or their views are exclusive to the Pakistani community. These men were predators and they preyed on these girls because they were vulnerable and unprotected not because of their race. When I first heard about the grooming gangs I was certain that these men probably abused vulnerable girls within their own families and communities and subsequent reports have revealed that. There have been stories about grooming gangs in cities like Birmingham that have preyed on teenage Asian girls and by asian here I mean muslim but also sikhs. They used very similar methods to the grooming gangs in the North and there were even cases of abuse of asian men of asian girls within their own families.

www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/10/abuse-asian-girls-missed-white-victims

These men are pedophiles and that is the lens through which their crimes should be viewed not their culture. There are white men who fly to the far east to sexually abuse young women and children. Is that because of their race or their culture that makes them look down on other races and children of people of other cultures? Or is it because they think they can get away with it if they abuse innocents in other countries. If we do not find it necessary to culturally analyse all perpetrators of child sexual abuse and the communities they happen to be a part of then I dont see why we should do that with the Pakistani community.

That is the big question isnt it Claig. As other have mentioned from the report it seemed that the main cause of that was because they had a total disregard and contempt for the victims. Like a previous poster wrote I doubt it would have been ignored if the daughter of a stock broker was the victim of these grooming gangs.

'Read about the police response to every grooming gang case there has been'

Are their any newspaper links to white grooming gangs and how the victims and perpetrators were treated?

'As other have mentioned from the report it seemed that the main cause of that was because they had a total disregard and contempt for the victims.'

If that does turn out to be the case then the whole lot should be sacked. If that is how they treat child victims, then what hope is there?

But I feel it is not about the individuals, it may be worse than that and may have come from higher up the scale.