Derby toddler suspicious incident

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www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/CCTV/story-21075947-detail/story.html
Just saw this on the news

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So no, you don't got round grabbing children"

I agree. And so, presumably do the police- what with it being the law of the land and all.

So safe to assume that's not what happened- considering that the incident is going no further.

To me, it's the way he so quickly steers the child off in addifferent direction, no hesitation, no crouching down to ask where mummy is etc.

Seemed confident and almost practiced.

And I was expecting a good deed gone wrong scenario after reading the article, before I saw the video.

That's why I said I hope the police had words.

Oops, just seen the update.

A lesson in how not to deal with a 'lost' child then.

No, a lesson in not making judgements based on next to no evidence. Bloody hell, this is a depressing thread. You have no idea what happened just before this bit of film, or what anyone said........

I hope none of you lot ever do jury service.

"Confident and almost practiced"

So not just a predatory paedophile, but a serial predatory paedophile.......

To me, yes. It doesn't look like a kindly grandfather helping a lost child.

But I am wrong, I accept.

I have respect for people like Southern, who accept they were wrong.

Poor man:(

As I said before - no wonder so many people are reluctant to help others out.

The video shows very little of what happens. Just a few seconds, no sound, and for one angle only.

And how quick people are to judge and label.

And ok - maybe it hung, drawn and quartered. But certainly labelled as predatory, a potential peadophile, a child abductor ... Some people are always willing to see the bad and often without any real evidence whatsoever.

What else are we supposed to judge on other than that clip?

And it does look bad, IMO

However, people privy to the full story have said it is innocent. The people on this thread only had that clip.

It doesn't look as if the man is deliberately leading the child away from the mother. He merely keeps going in the direction the toddler was heading when he first took his hand.

"What else are we supposed to judge on other than that clip? "

You're not supposed to judge at all. Because you don't have the information you need to make a judgement.

You are supposed to judge on that clip...and take into account that is exactly what it is - a very very small snapshot of what actually happened far from the full picture.
Could there be any other reasonable explanation? (than the obvious one)
Lots of people pointing that out on this thread and people not accepting it, accusing people of always defending men (wtf?) etc etc.
This is what really worries me for the future of society - it is the same as people believing everything they read in the Mail/Sun...

So Martorana, we were supposed to watch that video, that had been released to the public, and have no opinion whatsoever?

Okayy.

I've already stated that I was wrong, and I now know it wasn't sinister, I don't know why you are getting indignant that people drew different conclusions than you did based on that snapshot.

This happens all the time, people taking snipets of information making judgements and ruining the lives of innocent people, all because they "just know", it happens in all walks of life, and has been going on since the Pope Innocent VIII and Kramer started the witch hunts.

True,

From the clip alone, it looked dodgy as hell.

I still think of Jamie Bulger when I'm in shopping centres and other busy places, and that clip sent a chill over me when I watched it.

Thank goodness the man came forward, and had a chance to explain himself and it was all ok in the end; perhaps next time he sees a lost child he will react in a better way - crouch down, talk to them and try to stop them wandering any further.

True, Effective.

Snap judgements, gut instinct, mothers instinct etc.

Sometimes we are right, sometimes we are wrong.

Apart from anything else, it does show just how quickly it could feasibly happen though. Turns out it's all innocent in this case but also made me wonder if I should keep DS on a shorter leash.

In glad it was innocent.

'perhaps next time he sees a lost child he will react in a better way - crouch down, talk to them and try to stop them wandering any further.'

As he was labelled in the media and on the internet as dangerous,I wonder if he'd stop and help next time.

I doubt he would stop. Dh ferris uncomfortable helping children, he always sends me instead.

I would imagine next time he will walk on by, better than being wrongly labelled and questioned by the police for doing a good turn.

FWIW i think its 100% right that people feel uneasy about this clip. Ok, it turns out the man wasn't doing any wrong but it still highlights how quickly a child could be snatched. For me, i think its the thought of my own child going missing this way that made me view the clip in a certain way and see the worst.

Feel sorry for the man, but at 80 years old i dont suppose he knows he is the talk of t'internet today.

Because 80 year olds can't read or use computers? Yeah, right.

Of course people were right to be wary. But they weren't right to pass judgement based on so little evidence. And the particularly shocking thing was the "no smoke without fire" insinuations even when it was declared by the police to be innocent.........