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Madeleine McCann investigation

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lyndie · 06/05/2014 18:49

I saw today that possible excavations are to start in the resort where MM went missing.

Does anyone think the progress The Met have made is astonishing given the length of time that has elapsed? I can't help but wonder what progress could have been made if they had been involved at the start.

I really hope that somehow they can find out what happened and give her family some sort of closure. I know the ins and outs of what happened and her parents leaving her have been discussed at length on MN but from a crime point of view I would be very interested to see if the Portugese police had done enough or not.

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janey68 · 11/05/2014 01:29

Sabrina... If you were in the mccanns situation and you realised (to your horror, because this window fronted onto a road) that the shutters could be raised from outside, do you honestly think that within a matter of hours you - and your husband would both make the "simple mistake" of thinking that the shutters has been jemmied open?
Really?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 11/05/2014 01:31

Reading Pat Brown is a terrible mistake, baskstabtastic. She's er... searches for a MN friendly phrase... a twat.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 11/05/2014 01:33

janey - I'm very pleased to say I have no idea how I would behave in Kate's position. It's very possible I might say jemmied open, as in someone breaking into the apartment.

LaVolcan · 11/05/2014 01:33

I read your link the first time. An out of court settlement isn't the same as being sued successfully. This to me seems to be yet another example of the slick PR machine that was set up around the case.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 11/05/2014 01:34

It went to the High Court, LaVolcan.

LaVolcan · 11/05/2014 01:36

This is going round in circles and I suspect that the other posters will be getting bored with it. Standing on the steps of the High Court does not mean that you have won a case inside. If you could point me to a court report I would be more than happy to accept that they have successfully sued someone.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 11/05/2014 01:37

Kate and Gerry McCann have accepted £550,000 in damages and a high court apology today over "utterly false and defamatory" stories published by Richard Desmond's Express Newspapers about the disappearance of their daughter, Madeleine.

The McCanns' solicitor, Adam Tudor of law firm Carter-Ruck, told the high court today that the money would be donated to the fund established to find Madeleine. The McCanns were not present at the high court.

The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, confirmed the £550,000 figure paid in damages outside court today.

Mitchell also read out a statement on behalf of the McCanns, who welcomed the apology and damages payment from Express Newspapers and said its papers' coverage had been a "distraction" from finding their daughter Madeleine.

The couple added that it was "entirely appropriate that the search for Madeleine will now benefit directly out of the wrongs committed against us as her parents".

"We hope that the Portuguese authorities lift our aguido status in the very near future so that everyone can focus on finding our beautiful girl Madeleine," the McCanns said.

"We are pleased that Express Newspapers have today admitted the utter falsity of the numerous grotesque and grossly defamatory allegations that their titles published about us on a sustained basis over many months.

"The exceptional publication of these apologies, together with today's statement of full apology in open court before Mr Justice Eady, was the only just and proper response by Express Newspapers following our complaint.

"Express Newspapers rightly acknowledge that we are innocent of all allegations that we may have been involved in Madeleine's abduction and we would like to reiterate that there is absolutely no evidence that Madeleine is dead or has been seriously harmed."

Tudor said that from the late summer of last year until February this year Express Newspapers titles the Daily Express, the Sunday Express, the Daily Star and the Daily Star Sunday published more than 100 articles which were seriously defamatory to the couple.

"The general theme of the articles was to suggest that Mr and Mrs McCann were responsible for the death of Madeleine or that there were strong or reasonable grounds for so suspecting and that they had then disposed of her body," he added.

"And that they had then conspired to cover up their actions, including by creating 'diversions' to divert the police's attention away from evidence which would expose their guilt."

Tudor said that "many" of the articles were published on the front pages of the newspapers and on their websites and included "sensational" headlines.

Additional examples were given including stories that Madeleine had been "sold" to ease financial burdens and that the McCanns were involved in "swinging" or "wife-swapping orgies".

"As the defendant now acknowledges, all of these allegations were, and remain, entirely untrue," Tudor told the court.

"In particular, there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Mr and Mrs McCann were responsible for the death of their daughter or that they were involved in any sort of cover-up, and there was no basis for Express Newspapers to allege otherwise.

"Equally, the allegations that Mr and Mrs McCann may have 'sold' Madeleine, and that they are involved in 'swinging' or wife swapping were entirely baseless.

"Naturally, the repeated publication of these utterly false and defamatory allegations has caused untold distress to Mr and Mrs McCann.

"Indeed, it is difficult to conceive of a more serious allegation than to be falsely accused of being responsible for the death of their own daughter."

The counsel for Express Newspapers, Stephen Bacon, told the court: "Express Newspapers regrets publishing these extremely serious, yet baseless, allegations concerning Mr and Mrs McCann over a sustained period of what will already have been an enormously distressing time for them, and at a time when they have been trying to focus on finding their daughter.

"As an expression of its regret, Express Newspapers has agreed to publish front page apologies, acknowledging the falsity of the allegations and reflecting the fact that they should never have been made.

"Through me, Express Newspapers wholeheartedly repeats that apology before the court today. They profoundly regret the distress which these publications will have caused to Mr and Mrs McCann."

Mitchell, speaking on the steps of the high court today, added that the couple had been subject to a "sustained run of defamation" from Express Newspapers' daily titles the Daily Express and Daily Star.

"We felt that of all of the press they had the worst track record," Mitchell added.

Tudor, also speaking outside the high court, widened the criticism, saying all newspapers should take a "long, hard look at themselves" over the reporting of Madeleine's disappearance.

He added the couple's future legal options were being kept constantly under review, suggesting that action against other newspapers has not been ruled out.

As well as paying £550,000 damages, Express Newspapers agreed to pay the McCanns' "reasonable legal costs", although no figure was put on this.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 11/05/2014 01:38

Can you tell me how all that happened "in court" with a judge doing the ordering, if it was settled out of court?

janey68 · 11/05/2014 01:38

sabrina- if you think it's highly possible that you'd go to the media (when advised not to by the police) and then spout things which were inaccurate and highly misleading to the investigation , then I guess you'd be in the same position the mccanns are in now: ie people feeling tremendous compassion for their missing daughter, but a great deal of cynicism about how they have behaved.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 11/05/2014 01:40

Perhaps, janey.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 11/05/2014 01:45

It doesn't disprove the abduction theory, though, does it? The McCanns know they have been criticised for publicising the case as they have - but they feel they're doing the right thing for Madeleine.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 11/05/2014 01:50

^People quibble about shutters being jemmied or just opened,/when the friends flew home, and so on - but refuse to believe when actual libel court cases have taken place, even in the face of front page admissions from the newspapers themselves- no wonder this thread is such a car crash.

christinarossetti · 11/05/2014 02:36

Re: the Express Newspaper's payment/apology.

That's the whole point, isn't it? There is no evidence of the McCann's being involved in Madeleine's disappearance in the same way that there is no evidence of an abduction.

BaconSarniePlease · 11/05/2014 02:59

What I don't get is in the Express apology, they state that "Kate and Gerry are completely innocent of any involvement in their daughter's disappearance"

By all means apologise for the falsehoods and/or defamatory stories printed but how can they state this with all certainty? No one knows, do they?

KeinBock · 11/05/2014 05:50

There is -in my opinion - a certain irony to the fact that the McCanns legal and PR strategy, alongside the feverish postings of those devoted keyboard warriors that intend to support them, have in actual fact probably done their case significantly more harm than good.
Both come across incredibly badly. Just IMO of course.

TheLateMrsLizCromwell · 11/05/2014 07:10

Kein Bock Indeed.

Fideline987654321 · 11/05/2014 07:19

In what way Kein

ExcuseTypos · 11/05/2014 07:43

Kein- what the fuck are you on about?

How does someone pointing out the false statements, lies and rumours posted on this thread, do the McCanns harms?

70hours · 11/05/2014 08:11

Sabrina you are doing a good job - u fortunately (and I am not sure why) some people just can't accept the facts without trying to twist them to suit their cause - !!!!!

MrRedAndBlue · 11/05/2014 08:19

The Express did what most papers do when threatened by Carter Ruck - they agreed to an out-of-court settlement.

and on that note, I think it is a shame (though I'm not surprised) that this statement by Express report David Pilditch to the Leveson Inquiry was never given much coverage in the British media.

  1. It was only months later, in July 2008 that Portugal’s Attorney General formally closed the investigation into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance. Under the Portuguese system, the authorities released the official police file - more than 10,000 documents including photographs, official reports and witness statements including those of the McCanns. Through the release of those documents and subsequent legal actions in Portugal it is now a matter of public record that the reports I was writing between September 2007 and January 2008 were truthful and accurate.
MrRedAndBlue · 11/05/2014 08:20

The McCanns lost their court case in Portugal in which they tried to ban Amaral's book. I predict they will also lose the libel trial.

janey68 · 11/05/2014 08:21

The abduction theory is just that... A theory.

There is no more evidence to support that particular theory than there is to support any other theory.

If you are a McCann apologist, then you'll find that difficult to understand, because the McCanns have talked about the abduction theory as though it is fact right from the beginning. They have refused to entertain any other possibility. Of course, people can think what they like, but when you start talking to the media, and giving police statements, the difference between opinion and fact is pretty important.

That is what many of us feel uncomfortable about: that the mccanns launched a massive campaign and their team have engineered things so that massive publicity and resources have been poured into their particular agenda. For heavens sake, for about six years, the focus was on a 'suspect' identified by one of the McCann friends, backed up by the mccanns (KM states in her book that she believes this was the man abducting MM) and then it turns out that this was an innocent holiday maker collecting his daughter. FGS, KM has artists illustrations of this man published in her book! One can't help but wonder whether an open mind and a willingness to cooperate with the police could have averted this sort of major inconsistency years ago. For something that happened in a fairly tight timeframe, a reconstruction years ago would have been extremely helpful in clarifying timings, places and events

And the galling thing is that those of us who dare to criticise the mccanns are seen as harsh and uncaring- oh and the assumption is made that we must also buy into crackpot theories about the case.

I guess it's easier to think that than the reality: that we are compassionate people who feel desperately sorry for MM, but we also feel highly uncomfortable with the way this case is treated so differently to any other missing person case.

There was a time not that long ago when posts would be deleted on here for simply talking about MM's 'disappearance' . It was only acceptable to call it an 'abduction'... Even though this is an unproven theory. It really has been a media circus in that respect.

I have never referred to the event as an abduction, because we don't know that it was. All we can say with certainty is that MM is missing.

LaVolcan · 11/05/2014 08:29

Perhaps Sabrina is doing a good job - she has certainly convinced me how well oiled the McCann PR machine is, and how many people have been taken in by it.

ExcuseTypos · 11/05/2014 08:33

But if you don't believe there was an abduction you are implying the McCanns and possibly their friends were involved.

I don't believe they were, I also don't believe a 3 year old could wonder off alone at 10pm at night without someone noticing her. So the only other explanation is abduction.

And the above post about the Express reporter doesn't prove a thing. Maybe his reports were thruthful but the susequent things published on the front page of the newspaper were lies. The paper admitted they were lies. To suggest a paper would pay out £500,000 because Carter Ruck were on the case, shows how naive you are.

70hours · 11/05/2014 08:34

do you know what Janey if you want to waste time picking holes in what grieving parents did or didn't say when it was discovered there daughter was missing - you go ahead !!! - The fact is I believe she was either abductee or wandered out of the apartment on her own BECAUSE ther is no way the Mccans are involved - Normal people don't cover for their husband wives and go out an calmly eat dinner with friends - after agreeing to cover up for each other - they just don't!! - really really think about what you think may have happened - now play that all through and realise what you are saying !!! Oh and of course the Mccans then decided on all the publicity to cover their name not to find their daughter - Yeah right because that is what you want to be doing years after a case not trying to bury your head in the sand and pretend it siding happen - They keep th case alive in order to continue to look for their missing daughter -

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