Actually I take back any respect I have expressed for Roux. I have C&P'd this post from DS. It's from the same poster who's timeline went viral the other day!
Posted by Donmack
OK...anyone who is interested, I have watched Baba & Stipp's cross to see exactly what Roux is up to. And I think I can. It's made me lose a little bit of respect for him, I think....and it explains Nel's attitude to the disputed time of call yesterday.
Anyone who is not interested, skip this. It's loooooooong.
Recall that several posters yesterday opined that Mr Mike's testimony about his wife hearing a bang, then both hearing male crying, then making a call at 3.16 hugely contradicted the State's case...etc. etc, on the basis that it was a "fact on record" that Stipp called security at 3.15 before hearing bangs which he said happened 2 minutes later at 3.17.
This is not true. It was Stipp's evidence in chief that he called security and found it engaged. He then tried another number and it was out of order. On this call, he heard the shots. Then he called security again and got through.
But Roux tried to challenge this with both Baba & Stipp....failing IMO. Spectacularly in the case of Stipp.
Cross of Baba:
(Monday March 10, Session 1, from 12.00 onwards)
Baba is handed by Roux a copy of the log of calls made to the security landline. He tells Baba that it shows that Mr Stipp's number made a call at 3.15.51. To help him place that call, he points out that it is just before two calls made by Mr Mike at 3.16. Roux asks if this is the call that Baba took where Mr Stipp reported hearing gunshots. He agreed it was. The call duration is 16 seconds.
Roux: Now, in the evidence of Dr Stipp, he denied that he got through to you on that first call and says that it is much later. We know, long after 3....or sometime after 3.17. But we see that the call before Mr N that it was in fact 16 seconds. Are you positive that he did speak to you?
Baba: Milady, I spoke to Dr Stipp and I spoke to Mr N.
This is total bollocks. Total. Well, maybe not total, but highly misleading.
Stipp's cross:
(Friday, March 7, Session 1, beginning 14.04)
Roux: How many times did you call security?
Stipp: Twice
Roux: My understanding is that the first time you couldn't get through and the second time you spoke to them?
Stipp: That's right
Roux: Are you sure that the first time you didn't get through?
Stipp: I am
Roux: Are you sure that you spoke to them the 2nd time?
Stipp: Yes, I am
Roux: And are you sure it was after speaking to them the second time, that you heard the screaming?
(NB: the screaming that Roux is referring to here is the "help, help, help" that Stipp says he heard sometime after the call to security)
Stipp: Yes, that's right
Roux: The state made available to us - and I won't refer to your telephone number, doctor, we have that. I won't make that mistake again. But the state made available to us the records of calls to security. So that we can see it. The first call you could not get through. It's null. We have the record. It's the States, it's not ours.......uh, uh, I apologise. The first call you DID speak to them. The 2nd call there was no answer. On the State's documents. Would you like to answer that?
Stipp: Well, that's not correct because I phoned security......if I spoke to them, and they answered, I would not have phoned the other two numbers trying to get help. Which I did.
Roux: I am putting something to you because the records will be before the court through the State. We have them, the State has a copy. The first call is 16 seconds. The second call, it says no answer.
Stipp: I phoned the security guards and there was no answer. I then proceeded to call 10111 because there was no answer the first time. After that, I also called another number, an 082 number. I couldn't really remember what their emergency number was. And that didn't work out. I called security again and that time they answered.
Roux: We have the calls. We worked it out exactly. I'll take you to the next point there. That call was....you heard, "help, help, help" after speaking, on your version, to security?
Stipp: No. Er....sorry. Yes. That's correct.
Roux: And they said they were on their way to your house, before they arrived, you heard "help, help, help"
Stipp: it was shortly after I finished speaking to them that I heard the help, help, help.
Roux: We know what time you spoke, er, not spoke, made the call......it's 3.27 and 14 seconds. Would that moreorless make sense?
Stipp: It, er.....I'm not sure. I haven't seen the times.
Roux: That time, when you would have, according to you, because you heard the "help, help, help" it must then have been after 3.27 because it was after that call, you say
Stipp: Well, if that was the time of the call, then it was after that call, yes.
Roux: We have the call to Netcare by Mr Stander, you were with him when he made that call
Stipp: From Oscar's house?
Roux: Yes
Stipp: Yes
Roux: At 3.28
Stipp: Well, I have to go and look at the phone logs because I also phoned the something-med (couldn't catch what it was called) emergency care while he was on the phone. So I am sure. I can get my phone log to see what my phone said the time of the call was.
Roux: Of course, doctor
Roux then questions Stipp about what he saw in the house.
It's damn obvious what's happened here. Roux knows it, so does Nel. Unfortunately, Dr Stipp doesn't because he hasn't seen the call logs. Nel never objects, because Roux is not factually wrong....but it can dismissed in about 3 seconds of argument, which is what Nel will do.
Stipp in fact (IMO) made 3 calls to security.
The first one did not go through, because it was engaged. This attempt would not show up on the security call logs, because no connection was made. It has probably shown up on Stipp's personal call log, but Stipp hasn't checked, although the State & Roux will know. It's not a coincidence that we don't actually know what the time of the call was - it wasn't on the security logs that Roux used.
The second call went through at 3.15:15 and lasted 16 seconds. This is when Stipp spoke to security.
Another call, that barely connected (registering 0 seconds) was made at 3.27:14. This is probably an accidental press of redial.
Roux has, probably correctly, stated that the security logs show 3.15 & 3.27 as Stipp's phone calling security. And he has asserted that, if Stipp heard the "helps" after the last call then this must have been after 3.27.
He then tells Stipp that the call to Netcare that Stander made with Stipp present was 3.28, causing immediate confusion for Stipp, unsurprisingly, since he knows he wasn't calling security then.
Roux's ploy here is ridiculous and desperate. He may be factually correct, but it leads to the bizarre assertion that Dr Stipp heard the "help, help, help's" standing in OP's forecourt with Stander after coming out from tending Reeva.
Not surprised that Nel is not worried by the "timeline inconsistency". There isn't one.
Stipp and Mr Mike both called AFTER the gunshots. Clearly and obviously. The gunshots were either at 3.13 or 3.14. Everything fits like a glove.