I can't link to the Sky news interview with Nigel Farage but it was terrible

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It was Kay Burley. About 3pm today. She made his case for him just now and I don't even think she meant it. In fact I think she's sure she made a good job of portraying him as a mad racist while talking to him about UKIP's poster suggesting migrant workers were stealing British jobs.

He seemed quite reasonable in the face of Burley. He didn't emerge as racist - protectionist at best - xenophobic at worst. He didn't even grab anyone round the throat or ask them if they'd have given it up a bit more their husband wouldn't have been tempted to murder prostitutes.

Then she went on about a pretty young woman they're featuring as a candidate who is from her appearance, clearly of Anglo-Asian background and demanding why UKIP didn't declare her background. Burley was the one who mentioned pretty. Not me or Farage.

Farage asked why they should and to be fair I had to agree. And also, she's a pretty woman who's used a flattering picture on her literature. Wouldn't you? If you want to know more about her views then read her literature and ask her questions, rather than the party.

Oh criminy. I had to admit that Nigel seemed reasonable. They're heading for a major result in the European elections. In my mad moments I toy with voting UKIP just because I've always lived in Tory constituencies and want to crush them now more than ever.

It could happen here. I won't do it, but the temptation is fucking strong.

I'd think it was a right-wing plot if I didn't know Burley of old and realise it was incompetence.

Of course, the bigwigs, the "managerial political class", the elite don't care what we the people think. To them we are "politically incorrect" and the fact that we like Farage is wrong and evidence of how "politically incorrect" we are.

I think the EU election results might shock them when the people get a chance to have their say.

Well the other parties all set out their policies but as far as I'm concerned there is still an element of 'wait and see', because we have to wait and see if they stick to their word after they are elected, which most of them don't. So no difference there then.
At least if you want out of the EU you know a vote for UKIP will get you that. The other parties may promise a referendum (one day in the far future) but I'll bet it will never happen. They can stall and make excuses indefinitely once they are in power.

Cleggy displayed everything that is wrong with the spon that pervades politics in his debate with Farage.

He came out with what he thought was the killer line to convince the "great unwashed". An Oxbrdige teenage scribbler and spinner probably came up with it and was probably given a bonus for services to bullshit.

Cleggy had rehearsed the killer line for weeks and it went

"We are the party of in, and they are the party of Putin"

That sums up the whole spin ethos. They think they can "manage" us with spin. They actually think we are stupid and the public realises that and that is why we are going to shock all of the cronies in the EU election.

MollyGuacaholly, the major appeal of UKIP to the majority of voters is that they are against all the established parties, so it doesn't currently matter what their detailed policies are. If they spell out their policies, then some of them may turn out to be similar to those of the established parties in which case they will blow their anti-establishment appeal. Also if they releae their policies now, then the establishment parties, rotters that they are, will attack the policies immediately. So at the moment, I think it suits UKIP not to spell out what their policies are, because their voters are voting for them based on them being anti the established parties.

So you know they are not that different from the established parties' policies. 'Attacking' they policies is what it is to take part in political life, that's part of what politics is about.
Is there no idealism about working towards a just society? No question of how to get there, what justice is?

I get it that people are fed up, the neoliberal agenda has brewed a political soup of sameness and privilegde in Westminster. In the established party politics there is no alternative. I just really do not see Farage as separate from that. He is as much part of it as Clegg is. Different roles, same game.

And regarding Susanna Moore, you do know she's a leftie, right?

Farage is different, that is why they are all against him. All of the spinners in establishment parties are telling the public not to vote UKIP. They call them "divisive", "unpatriotic", "un-British", "fruitcakes", "loons", "BNP in blazers" etc etc

But the more they go over the top in their hyperbolic hysteria against the party that is now in the lead in the EU election polls and the leader that is now the most popular politician in the country with the highest approval rating, the more the public realise how "out of touch" the establishment spinners are and how much they look down on the people.

People are interested in politics, they do have idealism for a better society, they do want change. That is why the 18 year old first time voter went to meet Farage

"First-time voter Brandon Smith, aged 18, made a trip to the pub especially to meet Mr Farage . After grabbing his photo opportunity, Mr Smith said: “I told him he had some sense. I just like his policies.

“It’s my first time in here, but I knew he was coming and wanted to meet him."

They are desperate for change and no more spin and patronising lies and smears by establishment spinners from Eton, Oxbridge and think tanks.

People want to be heard and represented, not be patronised and mislead.

We are living in a country where killers can't be deported if they claim they will be discriminated against for their sexual orientation, where Italian mafiosi can't be extradited because Italian jails will infringe their human rights, and ordinary hardworking people have to pick up the tab and if they complain, they are told to shut up and stop being divisive and "politically incorrect".

People have had enough of the donkeys who are in charge. That is why they are turning out to vote for common sense and real people, not luvvies who lord it over them.

Yes, I know that Suzanne Moore is a leftie. But that doesn't mean she is wrong. Not all lefties are like Tony Blair. It is refreshing to see a leftie that actually gets it, that understands why people have abandoned the establishment spinners and have turned to the "people's party" in the hope that change may result from it.

There is only one person more popular than Farage in the country right now, and that is Prince George.

We would all vote for him. He's no spinner. He is real. But Farage is the second best thing to Prince George and that is why he is going to win.

.. I am dumbfounded..

'.. I am dumbfounded..'

So are Cleggy and Cameron, the Etonians, the Oxbridge oligarchs and the spinners in their drink tanks. Like King Canute they cannot stop the will of the people by their pronouncements and decrees.

"The remarks by Mr Hunt, one of David Cameron’s closest colleagues, echo the Prime Minister’s famous description of Ukip as a bunch of ‘fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists’.

Mr Hunt’s attack was also a sign that the political establishment is becoming rattled by Ukip’s success and that the Tories are worried about a bloodbath at the European elections on May 22."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614587/Ukip-attracts-racists-claims-Tory-minister-Hunt-fury-poll-shows-Farage-set-win-EU-election.html

They are powerless to stop this. The media can't turn it round for them.

All the king's horses and all the king's men can't put Numpty back together again.

"Ukip is on course to win the highest share of the vote in next month's European elections, senior political figures warned on Sunday, in a result that would be viewed as a collapse of trust in the political establishment

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Lord Tebbit, the former Tory chairman, also said he expected Ukip to make history by becoming the first party other than Labour or the Conservatives to win a UK-wide election since the first world war.

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Hain said the mainstream political parties had to recognise that Ukip's success was symptomatic of a wider loss of trust in politics. "The political class needs to wake up because Ukip are capitalising on the big anti-politics sentiment that is out there," he told the Guardian.

"Despite the fact that their candidates have blamed flooding on gay marriage, called women sluts, and expressed openly racist and Islamophobic prejudice – some really nasty stuff – and Nigel Farage has been accused of all sorts of allegations, all of it just seems to wash off, just like water off a duck's back, because they are the expression of a deep antagonism to the political class.

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Goodwin added that a Ukip victory in May would have profound implications. "If they finish second, that raises awkward questions for David Cameron. But if they finish in first place, that amounts to an entire rejection of the British establishment's political past."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/27/ukip-likely-win-european-elections-despite-racism-scandals

I think the experts and academics don't really understand the scale of this revolt by the people. I think they have underestimated the numbers and figures. This is an earthquake and it will shake the spinners from their perches.

Of course, even after a devastating result, the spinners will still bury their heads in the sand like ostriches, pretend it never happened and blame the people for it, but the writing is now on the wall - the people have lost trust in how the country is being run.

I don't think Cameron can survive a devastating vote where UKIP come top.

It's difficult to carry on a discussion with claig when s/he gets excited like this.

It is obvious that the Tory Party will have to change, but the really fascinating thing is what will Labour do?

If they stay as they are, with the politically correct spinners, then they will lose. I think that Lord Glasman of Blue Labour fame has analysed it correctly, but he seems to have fallen out of favour with the Labour leadership as far as I can make out. Tessa Jowell was on Sky last night and said that she liked him a lot but disagreed with him in his analysis on this.

If Miliband is able to change his party, which is no easy thing to do as it is full of politically correct spinners, then he might be able to turn it into a real "people's party", but of course he is constrained by the EU and the capitalists who are behind it and therefore cannot make fundamental changes anyway.

The rise of UKIP has shaken up British politics and whichever of Labour and Conservative adapts quickest and understands the people best will be the winner.

"Labour is too middle class: Ed Miliband's policy guru says party's working class support has DIED in boost to Ukip
Lord Glasman warns Ukip is now eating into Labour's heartlands
Working class support has been in free fall since 2001, he says"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614762/Labour-middle-class-Ed-Milibands-policy-guru-says-partys-working-class-support-DIED-boost-Ukip.html

claig - 90% of posts on the last couple of pages have been from you. You're ranting feverishly to yourself.

"Lord Glasman said voters' concerns about immigration and welfare needed to be addressed to stop them abandoning Labour permanently.

‘That is the dilemma at the heart of the party's strategy - is it possible to address these economic, political and cultural concerns when the party is becoming in many ways very middle class?’ he told The Times.

‘What I mean by that is liberal and progressive in its sensibility. Ed (Miliband) is trying to address it.

'This is a long-term trend since 2001, in terms of the working class vote just declining quite dramatically.

‘The Labour middle class vote held up (in 2010). It was the working class vote that died. These are often people who are earning, who have jobs, but they don't see Labour as representing their interests.’

I am throwing out ideas and quotes from articles for debate on the biggest political earthquake we have ever seen in our lifetimes where a party that was said to contain fruitcakes, loons and closet racists has eclipsed the Conservative Party and taken the lead over Labour in a national election.

I am interested in politics, I care what is happening in our society and I try to understand what the public are thinking and why they are abandoning the establishment and its parties like nothing we have ever seen before.

"Goodwin added that a Ukip victory in May would have profound implications. "If they finish second, that raises awkward questions for David Cameron. But if they finish in first place, that amounts to an entire rejection of the British establishment's political past ."

This is momentous. This will affect all our lives. This will depose Cameron and shake Labour to its core and means that Labour will have to change if they want to remain relevant.

The LibDems, of course, stand on the edge of the abyss, they are only 1% ahead of the Greens in the EU election polls. They are on 9%, the Greens are on 8%, Tories on 19%, Labour 28% and UKIP on 31%.

Neh, you know, it is not that big a deal even if they come first.
I lived in Holland when Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh got killed. It was all a big deal and things would NEVER EVER be the same again....
drum roll... same old same old

Follow the money claig. Things get payed from the same pot means things stay the same.

Yes, good point. I think the Fortuyn killing may have been a conspiracy, of course, and the same for Van Gogh. But yes things don't change that much, or opposition movements are bought out or sell out etc, so the spinners remain in control in the end. However, I think there is change in the air all over the EU and I am not sure that the spinners can really control it.

Good grief. I feel like I've stepped into a bar and been nobbled in the corner by the bar drunk. You know the one that has very very strong opinions and knows exactly how they will save the world, through shouting at the moon from his armchair,

In fact that's not far off what UKIP is doing....

'In fact that's not far off what UKIP is doing....'

Is that why they are in the lead in the polls?

"Nick Clegg faces EU wipeout as Ukip support surges
And Labour peer warns that Miliband will suffer too if he doesn't address working-class voters' concerns"

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So Farage, ridiculed as the smiling, beer-swilling pub bore of British politics, will have the last laugh after 22 May, because he could influence the way that the parties pitch their appeal to voters in the 12 months leading up to the next general election.

If Glasman is right, they will have to start listening to what white working-class voters want, not what the political strategists in Miliband’s and David Cameron’s ivory towers believe they should think.

In the short term, however, the big loser looks like being Nick Clegg, whose party panjandrums were warned last week that they face a wipeout in the Euro elections – possibly losing ALL their seats."

www.theweek.co.uk/politics/eu-elections/58294/nick-clegg-faces-eu-wipeout-ukip-support-surges

But once the UKIP get to brussels this is exactly what they will do - shout loudly and get nothing done.

It is a massive shame that this is currently the way it is going. I don't personally vote libdem but there are some really excellent libdem MEPs which have done a lot for the UK. And all that dedication and hard work is getting shouted done by the pub bores.