Oscar Pistorius Trial Part 5

[Roussette]

Time for a new thread - Part 4 nearly full

Perfect example. You'd rather carry on with all the sniping? Or the irritation?

Nerf - your suggestion is silly.

Or we could just read the posts and either ignore the ones whose style we don't like or rebut them in a calm and respectful way without resorting to snide remarks.

No it isn't - look at the people who have dropped out due to the weirdness of the thread. At the moment there's about three people posting regularly - it was a lot more before it all kicked off the first time. Clearly there's been a choice to drop out. I don't see why offering to have a different thread is silly.

Wintry came on here all guns a blazing and condescending. That's going to get a response.

Yes Hillwalker is right.

I think people have stopped posting because the trial is suspended and will return on Monday.

Really? Because they were posting until quite recently and then at least one said she'd had enough.
And ignoring posts is fine, but having suggested that I've still been referred to as a 'goady fucker' by someone who asked to be ignored. So not that simple.

AmIthat I was referring to the way you have regularly told people off for the way they are discussing things since thread one. The first time was early in the trial when Ronald posted a few questions she had about why op had done as he had done and you got really annoyed and nearly flounced. There have been a few other instances since then where you've taken a break and then come back and been very scathing and sarcastic about what people have been posting while you were away. I just think that by all means it's fine to point out things you disagree with or where you feel people have misunderstood or their sources contain false information without telling people off or being sarcastic.

I agree with what Hillwalker said at 8.11 or we could do two separate posts, I don't mind.

I think we should just allow the thread to get back on track with the trial starting again next week. For the last couple of weeks, it's been a break and speculation rises and it's bound to go a bit off piste.

I think we should be able to allow for all sorts of posting styles - yes, we have different posters on different sides of the fence but up until now we have discussed it quite coolly and sensibly. Saying that, I don't for one minute mean that anyone has come on here deliberately to derail the thread - it's just the way it has gone a bit.

YNK - interesting reading on the speculation link, but I'm a bit lost on the Gomez music one but I could be just a bit stupid! You say listen to 16.59 but the track only lasts 4.05?

'After Reeva packed her things she struggled with Pistorius, trying to get dressed. At this point he may have wrestled with her or hit her. Then, realising she couldn't get away, Reeva fled to the toilet and locked herself in it. At this stage he was in a vicious rage, and Reeva was terrified. She was screaming for help. To cover himself (still very aware of his reputation, and a possible incident in the media) Pistorius went to the balcony and also shouted help. But what could he do now? How could he prevent this story from coming out?

What was worse, Reeva had her phone with her in the toilet and he had no way of knowing whether she was about to send a message that would mean the collapse of his celebrity house of cards.'

All speculation. It doesn't help. This thred was doing really well to stick to facts presented in the court and I for one don't enjoy the introduction of stuff like this.

I agree with Stack's post here.

The actual facts of the case are horrible enough, there's no need for what-if stories.

There is only one living witness to what exactly happened inside OP's house that night, that means there is a lot we will never truly know.

The thread has gone off course, IMO, but I hope it will improve when the trial actually starts.

Sorry Rousette - I obviously did it again. Posting too many places at once, I think. I will put that post up again though, it's a very interesting little clip of OP on the stand.

Come on nerf, why dont you just say what you mean here, I said I was sick of the goady fuckers on here, so why not just say that there are quite a few of you who don't like MY 'posting style' whatever that means!
Suggesting you have another thread is just plain ridiculous. Do you think that will exclude me? I haven't been on the previous threads so I guess I'm the one who is just not in your gang? Well hard luck. I have been on MN for 5 years and never before have I come across such childish bullying!
If someone does not want to take part you need to respect that as adults they can make that choice.

I don't see how two separate threads could work. You can't police who posts so what happens if someone doesn't realise their style is unacceptable to the new thread? or if someone doesn't feel that they are speculating? Or if someone hears or interprets a statement differently from the majority?

I'm guessing when the trial restarts this thread will be more tightly focused.

This isn't a gang. I came to these threads quite late and everyone was very accepting even with the many questions I was asking which probably went over old ground,

The problem isn't your posting style but more the content that you post, which even you must admit contains a lot of speculation and imagined scenarios. That's not to say there haven't been lots of imaginative posts with lots of speculation but generally the tone of this thread has been to look at the facts presented during the trial by both sides and then discuss that evidence... Hasn't it?

I personally do 't think that we need two threads, I much prefer the suggestion that if posters object to wild speculation then they do so politely at the time it is made.

I also think that the thread will start to head back to how it was previously once the trial re-starts.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=l_hle5shsDY

That has not actually been my experience of this thread though Stack.
The whole trial is about circumstantial evidence and m'lady will take into account the circumstances NOT just the'facts'.
In fact much of what has been presented her has been taken to 'false' conclusion.
I think I have been targeted here because I have pointed this out and left some posters with egg on their faces! As I have said, if you don't like me (how childish) it's very easy to just jog around me!
The judge herself will be the arbiter of 'fact', since one of the only 2 eye witnesses is dead!

Okay, YNK, I was going to ignore you, as you asked. I have called you out on your posting style and you immediately started a whole pity party about being bullied.
Tbh you seem to dish it out when it suits you and then rally the troops when you feel 'got at'.
So I came up with a possible solution. You don't like that - what do you want?

Yes YNK and the Judge will hopefully take her sources as the evidence presented in court, not articles from The Mirror or Vanity Fair.

YNK ... We already went over that bit of audio and some of us think he said 'ask Reeva why, if she's phoning the police' it's not clear but if Nel had thought he'd slipped up he would have questioned him further.

I agree Stack. That was what these threads were about.

Plus one particular poster who didn't contribute much other than to pop up occasionally to goad others and I just ignored her but I see she's back to have a go. No worries though I will continue to ignore.

As for YNK, there isn't any "gang" but you think that if it makes you feel better. I'll just go back to ignoring your posts as I barely have the energy left to read them with the obvious glee and investment with which they were written. Plus it seems like a sub thread of DS at times.

Which is a shame as you might have some valid points but they get lost amid the stories

And Stack, although it is a long link, and much of it is opinion and speculation, I posted it at the (not very) kind request of those who challenged my understanding that RS's management did not want to 'brand' RS with OP.
I was rubbished for even suggesting it, as though I had made it all up as a result of my 'weirdness' (wtf?). I notice the people who accused me have not appeared yet to thank me for taking the time to respond to them!
I wonder if those are the same self appointed 'judges' who claimed the defense and the prosecutors have already got together to give a verdict!!!

I wonder if those are the same self appointed 'judges' who claimed the defense and the prosecutors have already got together to give a verdict!!!

What are you even talking about? When has that been suggested? Are you referring to the entirely different suggestion that the defence and prosecution appear to be in agreement over certain aspects of what happened?

I just read over the paragraph that Stack highlighted from you. Your speculated version is even more ludicrous in parts than the one OP postulates.

Voice has someone on this thread claimed that the verdict has already been agreed ?