Oscar Pistorius Trial Part 5

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Time for a new thread - Part 4 nearly full

Thanks book, I certainly haven't set out to do that and I am still baffled as to why I have made some people so angry with me.

He testified to that on the stand Palms. Like a lot of his testimony, it just doesn't make sense!

Palm, he said 'I put' then there was a pause before he said 'my hands over my eyes'. Maybe he was going to say 'my legs on' before he remembered he wasn't supposed to have them on at that point, according to his version of events.

What??? He said he put his hands over his eyes? Really? Why would anyone do that? I assumed the person writing the timeline had added that in sarcastically to explain why he didn't see her.

That's the good thing about the timeline, Palms - everything in it comes from what has actually been said in the trial. It really shoes up how ridiculous most of OP's version is.

That's bonkers

RE someone saying previously that it might be possible for OP to have let Reeva into the house, he clearly says in testimony on April 8th that he arrived home at his house on 13th feb just after 6pm the house was locked and the dogs were running around outside and Reeva was cooking dinner in the kitchen. So clearly she must have let herself in either disabling the alarm or the alarm wasn't on.

Also - it doesn't make sense for someone to say to another person - will you lock the Balcony doors and bring in the fans when you fall asleep ...

There would always be the risk that the person left with the responsibility would fall asleep before doing that.

He also says he hadn't made any plans on 14th and he never really says in his testimony that they were going to get anything for the bracelet he had bought her previously. Instead of the rambling answer he gave about not getting her a present he may as well have said 'no' when asked if he had bought anything for her.

He says he went to bed between 9 and 10 then woke in the 'early hours' and Reeva spoke to him. By early hours does he mean after 2 am? Maybe 4 hours later. Isn't there any Ipad activity from Reeva between 9.30 and 2.30 am? What was she doing? Is that when she possibly ate therefore unlocking the door, moving the bat, disabling the alarm, all while OP slept soundly.

This is very interesting and I wish I had caught up with this sooner!

Stack, Reeva had plans for 14th. She was addressing a group of schoolchildren in J'burg on Domestic Violence, Initially she planned to go home on the 13th.
I wondered how this fitted with his story about the bracelet.
It looks like this was another fabrication from OP

Sorry - me again.

In his testimony he says a couple of times 'I wasn't sure how long I was there for' and says 'she wasn't breathing' when he got into the bathroom. This was during his testimony for the defence. Then she was breathing after he sat with her 'for some time'.

Yeah his worries about security are a joke.

There was a broken window downstairs.
He knew the dogs were not good guard dogs.
He says he had spoken to the workmen about securing their ladders, but he didn't bother to check.
He leaves the balcony window open and a balcony light on, while he goes to sleep.

He previously had a JRT that was a good barker.
He got the staffy and the pitty as guard dogs because they look fierce.
A breeder would have been able to tell him they are soft lumps who don't bark much! (I have a staffy) They are really rubbish guard dogs!

Stack I remember being confused when OP said he wasn't sure how long he was there because the timeline means he couldn't have been there that long.

Good god who is that Em person on twitter?? She says VILE things about Reeva Steenkamp! Just awful!

I don't want to repeat the angry debate re shots/bat, I don't think either side has given a 100% clear picture of which came first.

If the Defence expert who was supposed to verify this was Mr Dixon as he was a Forensic Geologist and the whole point of his testimony was the effect on wood of the gunshots, the bat and OP kicking the door, then I think they have a problem.

However, the Prosecution witness, Colonel Vermullen's testimony re OP being on his stumps when hitting the door was torn apart by the Defence, and I can't actually remember what he said re the order of the shots/bat, I believe he said the shots came first (happy to be corrected).

Re the timeline, as far as I recall the timeline starts at approx 3.00 am when a neighbour heard the first bangs, then we know that OP made a call at 3.19 am at which time Reeva had been shot, then Mr Stander and the Stipps were at the house at 3.28 am when Reeva was downstairs and died.

Whichever came first shots/bat the timeline (disregarding the time of Reeva's death) doesn't seem feasible to me, OP did a hell of a lot in 28 minutes. I think Nel was insinuating the OP never opened the balcony doors to go out and shout as they were already open, and implying OP put that in his testimony to "fill up" some time.

As I have previously said OP is hiding something which is why things seem implausible.

I am keen to hear the rest of the Defence case and the summing up of both sides as this will, I am sure, pull together a number of the loose threads.

To prove pre-meditated murder (or whatever it is called in SA Law, can't remember!) the bar is set extremely high, the case for the slightly lesser charges has, according to SA legal experts, been proved.

at about 7.40 OP says that Reeva was dressed when she fell asleep; Nel is asking him what she was wearing, and the fact that she was fully dressed when shot means she would have had a wee, then re-dressed/pulled up her trousers which would have taken time... But OP says 'when she fell asleep.

So she was asleep at some point? He can't be sure of that can he, because he was asleep (in his version) and she was awake when he woke up.

(Some of) the neighbours' evidence would prove murder, Emo...

Well spotted Stack!!!

Also, finally read a reference that someone else is questioning OP's ability to reach for the key on the floor through the gap in the broken door panel on DS...any thoughts?

I cannot see how he could do this at all PD, which is why I think the toilet door was never locked in the first place or the key was still in the lock and not on the floor.

If it wasn't locked then what would have been the point of using the bat?

I think this was to frighten Reeva.

Anaged to get all the links together for all the filmed testimony with dates and brief descriptions of the content for each day.

I'll post it when the trial restarts or if there is a new thread.

It's been really interesting looking back over the case.

Oh brilliant Stack, that will be really useful.