Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 - Thread 5

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And it makes a convenient scapegoat, no? Malaysian incompetence is why this didn't work blahbla. I think that would be hugely unfair. Almost any country would struggle when faced with this level of search operation.

SagaNorens, I asked that, IMO if I were a pilot and felt suicidal (happily not something I have experience of so willing to be told I am talking out of my depth) I'd just not turn up for work and go and kill myself in any of the usual ways. I don't understand why anyone would choose to get into a plane and kill themselves and everyone on board. But apparently it has happened recently, more than once. Horrible topic but does anyone know why suicidal pilots sometimes go homicidal?

Why Russia? Crimea thing?

not that I am in any way suggesting that is what has happened. Just why it's even being considered as a theory

The LA Times has a good article on it and discusses a couple of other cases. From yesterday.

Suicide is a very complicated thing.

I don't think it was pilots though. They sound really nice tbh. My naive hat maybe but the reports on them just make them sound like genuine people really into their jobs.

www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-malaysia-plane-pilots-20140319,0,3204434.story#axzz2waIVcL2f

As an aside, DH texted me earlier to highlight what a c-word he thinks Putin is. Apparently Angela Merkel is scared of dogs and every time he visits her he takes his dog. How low can you get?

I did some work with Russian oligarchs a while ago and it was scary enough for me to not do it for too long. Whilst I believe Putin is capable of anything and Kazakhstan is essentially an extension of Russia, there's been not much to suggest that theory for this plane apart from the Northern arc search?

thanks living

Really hope this is the last thread too, so the families can have answers.

Twitter is awash with conspiracies and questioning the near silence of senior officials outside Malaysia. Have any foreign leaders made statements?

Obviously, the details still aren't clear, but maybe The Doctrine is correct, and the pilots thought they might not make it to the airport, as they were being overcome by smoke. They added another co-ordinate so that, in the event of their death, they wouldn't crash and kill people on the ground.

What with this and the Crimea, the news is really hard to watch at the moment. For the pilots' families, it must be even worse than for the passengers. Interesting to hear the theories in Malaysia.

I'm just getting on this thread as i am going out this morning, will catch up this afternoon with a

Really hope they have more news today, the constant rehashing of the few known facts on the news is horrible. They obviously have to keep talking about it to keep it in the public eye but there isn't anything to say and the desperation is noticeable.

Fingers crossed

interesting rudy. have you been worried about him? not that you have need to be but that never stops us does it?

i have to say i find it odd that other world leaders haven't given statements. i'd actually want our government to comment on this given it impacts security issues and there is such concern. in total tin hat style i'm also extremely dubious about the MM 'new developments round 512' being trotted out at this time.

but if they had time and clarity to type in all these coordinates they'd have had time and clarity to get down to 10,000 feet as per standard protocol.

HoneyBadger, what do you mean by MM? I have noticed there has been so much more news about missing people - do you mean MMcCann?

whatever happened to that plane, we're only being given little bits of information and I would question the truth of it.

rudy it is interesting, sorry didn't want to disparage that, just curious as to how come Russia. Although the mistrust is easy to understand!

I think they other governments are leaving it to Malaysia to do the announcements as they are the country nominally in charge of the search. Even if they don't seem to have/be allowed to have any control over the situation in reality. Why not at least pay lip service to the official regulations and let them handle all the tough questions? Australia is the only country to have said something. I thought it was good of him to do so.

Him being Tony Abbot sorry. Although I read that he's coming under fire in Oz for focussing on this and using it to divert from problems at home. Don't they all do that though?

Going with the hijack theory for a moment - Could the pilots have deliberately programmed in an erratic flying pattern, several manoevres ahead, if you follow me?
Could the pilots have made out they were turning west, as per hijackers' demand, but covertly added in new southernly, high/low co ordinates to a) ensure they'd crash out to sea rather than at the hijackers target, and b) alert authorities that something was badly amiss ?

livingzuid, purpleknickers and Rudy there are also plenty of Malaysians who are pretty pissed off with the negative press over the Malaysian effort.

I'm no fan of the government/authorities and they've certainly made some monumental mistakes over this, but I think they really are caught in the middle on this. We just don't have the expertise, experience or resources to handle this so have to rely on others, and I can tell you that there is also plenty of suspicion in Malaysia that the Malaysian government isn't the only one holding out on info.

There is also plenty of anger over the way the Western media is reporting this; all that stuff about the captain's family moving out of their house, claims from anonymous experts that the government is refusing help and my personal 'favourite', a DM (I know!!) headline about the captain's daughter "fleeing" Australia, when actually she came back to be with her family.

There have been comparisons made back home about the way the Aussies have handled giving out info, but it's a really fine line isn't it on sharing info - do you say nothing because you're not sure what you have, or do you tell the world even though you're not sure in the interests of keeping everyone informed?

yes that MM.

living both the US and UK have been hit by terrorist attacks - from that context, particularly the US where planes were involved, i'd expect them to reassure their countries that their eyes were on this and to basically let them know it was safe you know? an international event that causes fear and concern for safety and for travel requires comment imo. surely even a statement that it is safe to fly and that airport security is effective in those nations?

Does anyone else feel as if we're in limbo, holding our breath?

It seems like all likely options have been discussed, as every "new" piece of information came out it was jumped on, analysed, then dismissed, debunked or retracted. It seems unlikely that there can be any sort of breakthrough now. Even finding a piece of debris won't give any answers, other than that the plane has crashed.

As an onlooker, i feel a bit anticlimactic. Those poor relatives. I have no concept of how they must be feeling. It seems there is a general mood amongst them that their relatives are still alive somehow. Watching individuals saying "I'm sure they're still alive, we just want them back," I feel so hopeless for them. Whether it is just bravado on their part or denial, whether they truly believe, deep down, that their loved ones haven't perished I don't know.

Press conference on now

What happened here is insufficiently clear for uk and USA to make any such statements - if a panel split and the plane depressurised, all planes of that design and age would be checked all over the world.