Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 - Thread 5

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I am swayed by Goldies theory. I hope she is right. It's what I want to believe.

I'm also still half wearing my tin foil hat and niggling about the report on the 8th March about the US military at U-Tapau picking up the distress call, saying the cabin was collapsing/disintegrating and requesting emergency landing. The timing is right and the circumstances were odd with the deleted posts on Pprune etc.

However, for that to be true it means there was a huge cover up. Then again, maybe the Malaysians have known all along that there had been a disaster but couldn't announce it until they found the plane or where it went. Hhhmm.

I wonder if there could be both that distress call and the long flight south?
Maybe the 'collapsing' was bad enough to panic and pass out (and disable comms) but not bad enough to bring down the plane? But at a cruising alt of 35000? Unlikely surely?

Ps Goldie you can't go away now!!?!

I hadn't heard of the distress call Downton. Where did you read this? I don't understand why reports of a distress call would have been covered up.

Must have been the thread before this one that is was brought up - apparently in a Chinese paper it was reported that the US base heard a distress call from the plane.

Comments about it on PPrune were deleted. But not on here so was it a conspiracy? or not?

It was this post, Artic. If you highlight the Chinese text & google it, you get squillions of results (in Chinese with English headlines.) Pprune, however, has been regularly deleting 'sensitive' posts. Don't know whether they've been told to or are acting on their own judgement.

Feel stupidly sad.

the 12,000ft thing Goldie linked to was immediately after making the turn off the scheduled route

presumably after that it climbed again?

I have been following these threads from the beginning. However I have not been able to post anything useful as been very confused over some parts and finding it difficult to form any solid opinion of my own with regards what happened.

I am however extremely at confirmation today. I hope there's been no cover up, that the pilot did what he could to preserve other lives (diverting to far south) when he realised he could not preserve the lives on the plane - including his own.

I thought that no radar had picked them up because they were flying so low? If they were flying at cruising altitude then why did all radars miss them in their way to the Indian Ocean where they supposedly eventually crashed? There has to be more to it than this. Someone isn't telling us something and/or something is being covered up. And I'm remaining skeptical about those objects until they confirm they came from the flight.

Right ... So a large passenger jet signs out of Malaysian airspace quite normally at 1:22am. Five minutes later it has not signed into Vietnamese traffic control. During that five minutes, its tracking systems close down, the aircraft makes a sharp turn which takes 2 minutes, then perhaps descends sharply to 12,000 feet (source was unofficial.)

The Chinese press reports a US Embassy leak about a distress call received in Thailand at 2:43am. If this were so, MH370 would have to have turned North from its last 'known' location over the North-West coast of Malaysia.

But we're now told it turned south. And all these mystery events happened - however they did happen - over populated Asia, with some of the most intensely monitored airspace in the world.

Pardon my tin hat.

What I find odd is that drawing a line from Beijing to the crash site goes straight through KL.

It's almost as though it was still flying the Great Circle route to Beijing, just the wrong way.

I'm well aware the China Times report could be a load of bollocks. But, it came out the day after the plane disappeared, before details about the changes of direction etc was published.

The Chinese/English translation is not exact. It could mean a crack and depressurising.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but the Malaysians have not covered themselves with glory as regards to information, what they knew, what they didn't know, what they said they knew, then denied having said, or never mentioned again. I'm sure they knew what happened to the plane, they just didn't know where it was.

Is Thailand the same time zone as KL? Is China the same time zone? Is there an hour difference somewhere.?

What time was the last supposed radar tracking ? Was that after it had supposedly crossed the Malay peninsula? Can't remember the waypoint order was it IGARI-VAMPI-GIVAL-IGREX?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370#Timeline_of_disappearance Thanks, Wikipedia contributors :)

Downton, "I'm sure they knew what happened to the plane, they just didn't know where it was."

But how has it done them any favours to turn it into such a huge affair? It's the same outcome (currently), that their plane was faulty and killed a large number of people. Just that, because of all the mystery, it has turned into a massive media event which has made Malaysia look inept etc. rather than just an Airline issue, which they could have recovered from much more quickly.

Lovely big graphic with paths & times, done about a week ago I think.

None of what we're being told now matches up with what we were told last week.

The DT reports.....

The team investigating the Boeing 777’s disappearance believe no malfunction or fire was capable of causing the aircraft’s unusual flight or the disabling of its communications system before it veered wildly off course on a seven hour silent flight into the sea. An analysis of the flight’s routing, signalling and communications shows that it was flown “in a rational way”.

Garlic, doesn't it? That graphic says if the flight turned south sometime after the last military radar contact, its flight would have been over unmonitored ocean. That's what is being said now - that it crashed in the southern ocean.

merry I agree. I just think they knew the plane had gone down, but they thought it had gone down close by. Imagine the initial realisation that a plane had disappeared, then the increasing panic that all contact and tracking was lost.

I bet they expected to find it within hours and waited to confirm. Then it just snowballed from there. Inept, yes, deliberately withholding information? Probably. Who could have foreseen that it could take so long though.?

"I thought that no radar had picked them up because they were flying so low?"

That was speculation. If the flight had gone over land that's how it could have avoided radar. But, given it had flown for at least seven hours implying a flight at the expected air resistance at 35,000 feet, it was more logical to assume it had flown over the ocean.

Yy Downton. To start with, they lost contact with a plane that didn't make contact with ATC and disappeared from civilian radar after an hour's flight or whatever - of course the logical thing to do was start searching the malacca straits first.

I hope to G-d it's not something fishy involving the U.s govt and a plot to blame Iran somehow and that we (Australia) are involved as well. Apparently our official body which has been making all the announcements here is refusing to allow Chinese journalists into the press gallery ( presumably to prevent them asking questions?). Although China isn't exactly famous for it's human rights record, I don't think it would take the mass murder of it's citizens by a foreign entity/entities very lightly at all.

Last radar sighting (according to wiki) 2.40.

Possible distress call heard at U-Tapau 2.43.

It just doesn't explain the manoeuvres between 1.22 and 2.40. What on earth was going on?

the information seems to have been deliberately as muddling as possible.

the straightforward clear facts are enough for massive questions.

re: why take 7hrs to report a plane missing?

why/how in post 9/11 world would a plane that disappears and is seen by military radar just be allowed to fly around up there - that to me is utter bs - as if you'd make no response about a plane going off route and flying back at you?

basically for whatever reason we are have been led on a wild goose chase of misinformation and in the process everyone has made clear what they would like to believe, what they feel is plausible, etc and hey presto that will be the version that comes out.

garlic along with the timeline of events i'd love to see the timeline of information coming to the public - re: what was said on what days and what was said to 'explain' differences when something else was said another day.

Mimi I think the Aussies have cut through the nonsense and come out of this looking clean (although I do wonder if Jindaree picked something up, but if no one was looking down there initially it may have been missed.)

INMARSAT and the UK air accident people also seem to have been transparent sharing their information.

The US know something, but have kept conspicuously quiet, although I'm sure they've been working away behind the scenes too.

However the Malaysian fiasco is so bad, I do wonder if they've been set up to look really inept.