Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370 - Thread 5

[KenAdams]

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Stupid question alert -

if communications were turned off does that include the black boxes? I assume they can't be turned off but I am a mum, not a pilot so know nothing.

I think that the only way to explain the change of direction and the way points is that at that point somebody turned it around maliciously. What happened after that? who knows? Possibly a struggle /Hypoxia/ suicide mission by someone. We may never know. Even if the black box is found it may not explain it, given the two hour loop thing.

The people criticising inmarstats motives? Wtf?

I saw it once on a thread, I'm not sure if it's when you do this : - ( instead of [ sad ].

It looks a bit odd having a raised brow next to something sad.

Goldie hypoxia seems likely, but would a waypoint have to be entered for the auto pilot to take the plane south, how did it end up going that way? Sorry if it's a daft question.

I think your conclusions as to why the full Inmarsat data wasn't publically released is overly cynical Achy. Yes, they are a commercial company, but the bottom line is that Malaysia is in charge of the investigation & ultimately responsible for what is released. Given that speculation is rife, release of such data would have muddied the waters. If another company had managed to analyse the data & come to the conclusion we have been told of today, I am not sure that people would give it the same credibility tbh. Sometimes a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing; releasing the raw data publically could have lead to even more half-baked theories. Inmarsat were working with the AirAccident Investigation Board; it is entirely possible that AAIB have consulted with other parties to validate Inmarsat's analysis.

Remember, this is about the death of 239 people, we are not privy to all aspects of investigations of deaths in this country & we do not have a right to know chapter & verse of this one.

Much as I do believe this latest analysis, until someone has retrieved pieces of a 777 from the Indian Ocean, I find it difficult to totally accept the finality - goodness only knows how the relatives must feel.

Interesting re the other 777 Goldie thanks.

If it was flying at 12,000 feet then it also debunks the hypoxia theory, doesn't it?

Where does this 12,000 ft info come from please? At what point in the proceedings was this supposed to have occured?

member I posted up thread. Apparently Cranfield Uni were involved in doing the data modelling with Inmarsat over this weekend. The NN interview the other week made it clear that Inmarsat wanted to help but found the Malaysian authority's attitude on using their data extremely frustrating.

My mind's still open - and still keeping a tinfoil hat ready. I don't suppose we'll ever find out what happened for sure. But, to those whose automatic reaction to conspiracy theories is a big old raspberry and a I would like to say: Enron; Nixon/Watergate; nuclear, biological & psychological weapon testing; Jimmy Savile; bank price fixing; extraordinary renditions; Guantanamo Bay; in no particular order. And those are just a few that were exposed. Why do you think we need WikiLeaks and people like Edward Snowden?

Off topic but...I often post frommg phone - hence bad typing. And the faces are not v clear.
This looks like a sad face is it?
I certainly intended sad when I've chosen it.
I can't see a hmm face - oh have just scrolled across!
Oops here is a sad face.

Think is the apt one now!

Ps Goldie - did you see that people used this mobiles onthe other Malaysian flight that was diverted?! Unclear on story.

I don't know if or how we'd ever find out but I think it was a combo of hijack and hypoxia.

A series of tussles between different people in charge of the plane & the crazy flying caused damage to the structure leading to depressurisation (either gradual or not).
By which point it was on the southerly heading and no one on board was left conscious to do anything.
At least this would mean everyone was unaware of the end. But they might have known bad stuff was occurring early on.

"If it was flying at 12,000 feet then it also debunks the hypoxia theory, doesn't it?"

Assuming they weren't already hypoxic by the time the aircraft got to 12,000 feet then probably yes. But one can only hypothesise how long it took to get down to that level and whether the crew became hypoxic on the way down.

Sorry, still not seeing the source of this reported 12,000ft

reports I heard this afternoon said it was flying at normal cruising altitude (c 30,000 ft?)

I saw the report about MH370 possibly flying as low as 12000ft on CNN but I think if you google MH370 12000 lots of newspaper sites appear with the story. I think it might just be speculation as I don't think anyone has officially said it was that low at a press conference or anything like that.

hang on - where did this other 777 with a crack in the antennae suddenly come from?

and i thought we'd established there'd be nowhere near enough fuel if they flew at 12,000 feet so even if they did descend to that at some point they must have ascended again.

the Inmarsat knowledge of pings received 5 hours after initial loss of contact was first reported here by the BBC on Fri 14 March (I heard it on PM & posted on the then current thread)

I wonder whether it was released to the BBC at that point because the Malaysian authorities weren't doing anything with the information?

reports I heard this afternoon said it was flying at normal cruising altitude (c 30,000 ft?)

Me too

what sad news I wonder if there was a problem that simultaneously caused tge communication to go down and the plane to depressurise. pilots took plane to 12000 ft however where to late to save passengers (im sure pilots oxygen tanks last slightly longer than passengers) upon realising the passengers had died and possibly that they would be unable to land the plane due to whatever accident had occured. decided they would rather die of hypoxia than in a fireball possibly injuring people on the ground. so took the decision to go back to cruising hight, let hypoxia overcome them and point the plane in the direction of the indian ocean? may just be wiahful thinking in that at least the passengees wouldnt have suffered to much

Right I've googled it & it seems that radar may have detected this level of altitude; it is unclear to me whether this was primary or seconday radar as the source is not credited. As we know, the plane flew on for hours after last radar detection. The Telegraph article on how Inmarsat modelled where the plane was said flight was consistent with 30,000 ft.

Bt bobsleigh - you'd know as a professional pilot that people would look for you/the plane and if you were innocent of any wrongdoing you would want that proved (as you'd also know that pilot error is often the first assumption after a crash) - so you'd aim to crash/ditch where you would be found more easily.
of course, assuming rational thought...

I agree with wannaBe

"and i thought we'd established there'd be nowhere near enough fuel if they flew at 12,000 feet so even if they did descend to that at some point they must have ascended again."

Which is what I just pointed out when I mentioned it.

HoneyBadger "hang on - where did this other 777 with a crack in the antennae suddenly come from?"

This is the Airwothiness Directive

"Sorry, still not seeing the source of this reported 12,000ft"

one of the many reports on the 12,000 feet

I still think there is more to it than the hypoxia hypothesis. Whether anyone else knows more or not, I don't know.

Got to go now ladies - and I won't be back in for a while as I'm away for two days.