Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370... Thread 4

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"he feels neglected so I´m off to bed"

Lucky old DH

sweetkitty yes, that's something that was debated earlier, the pilot's theory. But if the plane was on fire it wouldn't have been able to fly for a further seven hours.

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Kitty and others linking to CHRIS GOODFELLOW'S hypothesis - you're not being ignored out of rudeness, it's just that Yes, everyone has seen it, and it shows you didn't click anyone else's links or you'd have realised it's the same article all over the place

YNK - Mangosteens out of season? Erm, that IS odd, if they were supposed to be fresh!

"collected manner and has not mentioned the snidely comments."

Say what now? Snidey comments? Must've slid off my Teflon shoulders like water off a ducks back. A woman in this world - need I say more?

I intend to make the most of the 'I'm pregnant' excuse while I can - a bit of recompense for the discomfort

Apologies for not reading previous threads so I may well be telling you stuff you already know, but my DH used to work for Rolls Royce where he helped to develop the IT which transmits information about the status and health of all its aircraft engines back to RR in real time. It is because of this technology that they know the plane flew on for 7 more hours.

DH says it does not transmit a location, but it will definitely be known from engine info whether the aircraft was landed safely, crash landed on land or crash landed into the sea, and in the event of a crash the engine info would indicate the severity, so the fact that this information is known but has not been publicly revealed makes me also think there is much more to this than they are letting on to the media.

Re mangosteens: they usually ripen between May and July but, like bananas, think they might be picked fresh/unripe and shipped. Although their skins harden a lot after picking so not sure this is possible.

Maybe they were in tins...

I think the fruit-as-evidence-for-conspiracy-theory though shows we are scraping the barrel in terms of lack of evidence and no new information being released.

Glad you have weathered the teeny storm Goldie and stayed aboard the mothership .

I don't hold any truck with conspiracy theories at all. I hate all this stuff about suicidal fights in the cock-pit and people being biffed on the head . I know fact is often stranger than fiction but I don't think that it will end up being something as overly 'domestic' as that ifyswim.

I feel sure it is lying at the bottom of the ocean although not sure how or why it got there. I would eat every hat on earth if it is sitting on some obscure runway somewhere waiting to go on and do evil.

Have had so many conversations about this over the last 10 days as I'm sure many of us have, can't believe how many friends seem to think that it would be easy to spot any wreckage or floating baggage etc. I know a plane is pretty large when you are standing next to it but think many just cannot picture the sheer size of the area under scrutiny.

I flew over the Amazon in a light aircraft and knew with great certainty that if we crashed we would never be found. It was rainforest horizon to horizon. We are all used to everything in Europe being so close together, so civilised and so fully connected up technology wise - it's just not like that on most of the planet.

Cavort that explains a lot.

"but I had assumed they wouldn't put technical gizmos in the front because of potential damage on collision, but I know enough to know those engineers know what they are doing!"

If you have an impact hard enough to get at the gizmos, they'd be the least of your worries. Remember, the skin of an aircraft is only as thick as a bit of cardboard like you'd find on a medium sized box (not cornflake packet, obv). Considerably stronger, but still.

I think we'll be back in some years time...if ever

I see practice has done its work, Goldie

Ygg, I only know about programming, not aviation controls. I was thinking earlier, if you realise there's malware in your computer at home - you immediately turn off the internet connection, then try & identify what's happened, then switch the machine off. The pilots of MH370 turned off the plane's connections (except the satcom antenna, which apparently most pilots didn't know about and has no off switch.) They didn't issue any distress signals, neither did they turn them back on. So ... and this is just idle thinking ... what if their autopilot seemed to have developed a mind of its own, and they did the equivalent of switching off the router so as to block malicious actions from ground control?
Dunno.

cavort the lack of info from certain sources could be turned around in that they know but won't say. Very insightful.

If that is indeed the case then, if it was a crash why not just say so? Or are they waiting for other evidence?

Cavort I also think that those Rolls Royce engines could have (and could still be) providing a lot more information than we are being told about. Did the authorities ever actually say when the last info from the RR engines was transmitted? I don't think they did...everyone seems to be talking about the last time a 'ping' was received, but that's from a different system.

Wow Cavort, that is news

Cavort, Malaysian didn't subscribe to the engine check service. They were just getting a basic hourly ping - we are told.

burma so true. When you fly over SE Asia and see the vast forests there too and how so much is uninhabited it's really impossible to think how a plane could be spotted that easily.

Good stuff cavort

But don't I seem to recall reading that those systems only transmitted if Malaysian Airlines bought into the data uploading system, and they hadn't?

Ah garlic that would explain it. If that's the truth

Ah! The Aviationist says the RR engine transmissions are the same as ACARS and we know they were switched off...

"But don't I seem to recall reading that those systems only transmitted if Malaysian Airlines bought into the data uploading system, and they hadn't? "

That wouldn't necessarily stop RR from extracting the data, though. They could command the FADEC to send the data packets regardless of whether MAS had subscribed to EHM.

I read that even if the airline didn't subscribe, RR would still get very basic info transmitted to them. Cavort if Malaysian Airlines didn't subscribe to the full level of monitoring, does this mean that the info wouldn't have been available to RR, or just that RR wouldn't have relayed this info back to the airline under normal circumstances?

That makes sense Goldie. Cavort if RR have the data, I guess that they will be working very closely with AAIB and by extension the whole investigation, and it'll come out when it's verified. Or not?