Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370... Thread 4

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Last transmission 1:19. Last military radar pickup, 2:15. Plane going west. That's an hour after the last transmission, a little over half an hour after the whatsitcalled system failed to report. That indicates to me that this catastrophic event had taken place over half an hour previously. And yet the plane was still going west. At some point, it turned South. How?

If pilot had hypoxia though he could have been confused & may have caused him to enter wrong direction details or think he previously entered wrong details & so changed them as his brain was addled?

So he changed course when he realised there was a problem, then decided that he was fine (because of the hypoxia) and tried to go back to the original route, but instead wrote S instead of N.

I must admit, that N thing being Beijing, and the S thing being quite convincingly where that plane crashed a week ago is chilling. So what are we saying? The plane attempted to actually land itself there? That it didn't run out of fuel? Would a plane do that? I presume it had slightly more than enough fuel to get to Beijing, maybe it did just run out of fuel and the tides have washed it back up a bit.

No, ignore that, the debris location is quite considerably further south than the coordinates, suggesting that the plane did just run out of fuel.

I just thought that if they were suffering from hypoxia their actions may not point to anything explanatory after a while as they could have become confused so the last actions of the pilots may just be senseless.

Just to de-mystify that co-ordinates thing (sorry!) the Inmarsat arc goes nowhere near 116.58°E. That's the longitude for Beijing airport, but the furthest east the tracking arc goes is about 108°.

Full graphic here: static.stuff.co.nz/files/MH370graphic17.jpg

Very happy for it to be de-mystified! I thought it might offer an answer as to why the plane ended up in such a remote location, but it clearly doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
I hope they find something definite in the next day's search. Unimaginable what the families must be going through.

I still want (if that's the right word) it to have been hypoxia, so they all went happily to sleep and never woke up. But ... if our pilot makes a few mistakes due to either hypoxia or a hijacker, yet still makes heading for Langkawi, how come he doesn't put down but turns either North or south? How come Langkawi has no record of any contact? Gradual hypoxia apparently makes you feel stoned. I suppose the pilots might have thought, oh this is fun, let's fly around the world! .... but, like every other hypothesis, this is painfully stretched isn't it?

It does, though, share several similarities with Helios Airways Flight 522.

It's just gone 6am in Perth, and searches are restarting.

Fingers crossed.

Is anyone else getting annoyed with BBC news for all this "time is running out" business? They've just contradicted themselves by saying that the black box transmits a signal for up to 30 days, followed immediately by the black box us only guaranteed to transmit for 30 days. Hmm talk about dramatising things...

i don't buy it at all.

the 'event' is supposed to have happened shortly after (or even during according to goldie) the communication with home and the pilot tried to turn to an airport YET the military radar picks it up still flying west an hour later so the pilot would have had to turn again to end up where they are.

if he had an hour to kill he would have followed the procedure and got down to 10,000 feet yes? and allegedly there's only fifteen minutes oxygen anyway (unless the pilot gets more than that). why would he fly west for ages after a breach of the hold and then turn to go out over the ocean?

Hypoxia's attractive because a slow leach is so insidious, Badger. In the Helios flight it DID trigger all the alarms, but the pilots didn't register their meaning. I think that event prompted even more & bigger warnings on planes, though, so ... it still doesn't add up.

Yes, Honey, I was wondering why he didn't go down to 10,000 feet immediately. And bring it down in Langkawi or even on the sea.

I suppose he could have put a few way points in before going out completely.

merry the experts have said the automatic first thing you do is get down to 10000 feet and that it takes less than five minutes. i'm utterly unconvinced.

Very interesting report on Newsnight with interviews with head of Inmarsat and head of the team that recovered the Air France debris (Blue Water Recoveries). BWC man said that debris drifts 24 nautical miles per day so after 13 days any debris found would be hundreds of miles from the plunge point. He said he thinks the window of finding any debris is closing rapidly and the search teams will have to be have luck in finding anything

Inmarsat said they gave a plot of their data on Tuesday that would have focused the search away from Malaysia and to the corridor.

They also said it's mandatory to have tracking devices on all planes flying over the North Atlantic but not worldwide. From what they said I assume these tracking devices cannot be turned off.

Thanks dp for the update.

I just looked up 解體on an online dictionary, and it did say "collapse, disintegrate".

Oh dear, Mumsnet doesn't accept Chinese characters then. But you get the drift.

I want to know if the USA has the secret technology to hack into and redirect/override an erratic hypoxic/hijacked plane.

To send it into the ocean.

Because post 9/11 I bet they wanted to have that technology and would spend any amount to get it.

Such a fantastic thread this, so great to see so many other people trying to stretch their brains round this. I am someone who believes that the most boring explanation for an event is usually the most sane and likely to correct but am confused by the fact that every single theory has a touch of the batshit about it, none of them sound plausible by this time of the night!

With my tinfoil hat stuck firmly to my head I would ask: in the wake of 9/11 what is to stop worried goverments adding secret 'killswitch' commands into aeroplane software that they can hit if terrorist activity is suspected. Lets face it, no-one wants another 9/11 happening on their watch and in their territory, so the plane is controlled from the ground, deliberately taken off course towards somewhere less populated, over the sea if possible, hypoxia is induced as a mark of compassion towards the victims and bam they ditch the whole lot into the ocean 'for the greater good'. Frankly wouldn't put it past any govt these dats.

SNAP!! oh that was spooky trucks, I was writing that just as you posted!

Although I don't see why only the US would be under suspicion, I would think every government in the world has considered the idea or something similar. It makes for a cleaner, more 'accident' type wipeout that could be covered up more easily than blasting a jet out of the sky with exocet type missiles...