Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370... Thread 4

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The bbc website has also speculated that 24m is pretty much the length of a Boeing wing. Obviously the Australians can't say for certain until they get a direct visual, but it sound like they strongly suspect this is it.
Sure the ocean is full of debris, but 24m long has to be unusual.
I just hope this can give those poor relatives some closure. The not knowing must be unbearable.

I'm following this

It looks like 24 metres would be approximately the length from wing tip to engines on a 777.

His was posted at 6.41am:
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ABC News reporter David Wright, who is apparently on board the US Navy P-8 Poseidon aircraft involved in the search, says the crew have told him the radar indicates "there is something down there". But it is still too early to tell if the radar hits are related to the missing plane,ABC News reports.

I do hope it's the plane. The most they've said is "credible" and still caveated as "indistinct"

And I cannot help remembering that there are tonnes of debris in the sea, and that items from say the Japanese tsunami are still washing up (across the globe now) and that also still includes large objects (eg fairly intact buildings/sheds). Plus of course everything that falls off (or is dumped off) ships.

Guardian has just posted these pictures of the satellite images (scroll down a bit).

The one that's 24 m long actually looks too wide to be a wing.

i know i'm a huge cynic but even if they find the wreckage it doesn't suddenly become easy to explain as an accident and it doesn't rule out some of the more extreme theories either eg. the american military base landing as there has been a hell of a long time to place wreckage.

there is no 'innocent' explanation in my mind as to how it could have ended up there. that plane turned exactly in the crossover between airspaces. a turn was programmed, systems have to be turned off very deliberately etc.

has the issue of jump seats and i think it is called 'deadheading' on these threads? just seen something saying that someone else could potentially have been in the cockpit for this flight and that may not have been recorded due to slightly slapdash procedures there.

Oh I really hope that this is it- at least then the families will have some closure. I can't begin to imagine what they are going through.

I think there may already be boats/aircraft in the area, and more heading out. Hopefully we will know before too long.

I still don't understand all the palaver and releasing that northern arc if they had strong indications that the plane went south though. The whole investigation seems to have been a shambles so far.

I agree with shivari. They suspected foul play when it was established that equipment had been deliberately tampered with. Finding the wreckage doesn't change anything it just brings them a little closer to establishing how and why.

Sorry I meant I agree with honeybadger!

If it IS debris from the plane dies that suggest that it went into the water from a fairly low altitude and didn't break up into tiny pieces as described in one if the other threads. So there possibly could have bern or may still be survivors ?

"I still don't understand all the palaver and releasing that northern arc if they had strong indications that the plane went south though. The whole investigation seems to have been a shambles so far"

But the arcs were in relation to that piece of evidence collated with the flying time of the plane. Those two matters were "hard" evidence (assuming no tankering extending the flight distance circle).

In terms of likelihood, depending what info they had from land based radar (which if some was given was probably in strict secrecy) they could probably reach the conclusion it was possible but unlikely that the plane had avoided radar detection - meaning the simplest explanation is that it wasn't there ie that it was over the sea.
. I am sure the Chinese wouldn't have searched a land corridor if they knew definitively the plane wasn't there (of course, they may have announced a search and not done it if they did know that)

However this turns out, surely running searches in parallel was better than exploring one possibility then another sequentially.

Shivari I agree with you that the pictures are far more grainy than I expected. To me it looks like, erm, waves in water . It take some knowledge to spot it for debris, I think.

I'm hoping this is the plane (although obviously I'd prefer it to be found in tact, with everyone alive, following engine failure or something) so people can begin to have closure and so that an intensive search can begin for the black box and other evidence.

For the plane to be found here so far off course and to have travelled for so far doesn't seem accidental.

I can hardly see anything on those images! Glad they're not relying on me.
I wonder if anyone had tagged them on the tomnod site?

I agree with you too shivari

Pprune reckon it could be the tail fin.

Sorry they debunked that as I was typing...

It says the 24 metre object is deep under water as well - it's amazing what these satellites can see.

I hope for some resolution for the family finally

"If it IS debris from the plane dies that suggest that it went into the water from a fairly low altitude and didn't break up into tiny pieces as described in one if the other threads. So there possibly could have bern or may still be survivors ?"

No, I don't think so. Break up on impact doesn't mean into tiny pieces afaik and different parts would be subject to different stresses.

Apparently the Australians say this debris has been found due to information passed to them by the US.

I thought it looked more like a shipping container as soon as I saw the photo. They float just below the surface when they get washed overboard and the Southern Ocean has a lot of them. It looked sort of rectangular when I saw it on Sky.

Although to be fair at 24m it is too big for a shipping container.