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Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370... Thread 4

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GoldieMumbles · 18/03/2014 18:37

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difficultpickle · 19/03/2014 20:44

I thought the radar data was not from Thailand as that has already been disclosed. I got the impression that it was new data confirming where the plane went after Thailand.

alcibiades · 19/03/2014 20:46

Excellent summation, Queenstromba, and ChaffinchofDoom's addition.

I'm also constantly checking these threads. I gave up on the Pprune thread a few days ago. I get more info, and sensible speculation here - thanks to Goldie and others. I think people, like Waswondering, should feel free to post a "marking place" post, because as we're now on thread 4 it's clear that we'll go on talking about this for as long we wish, and a few "marking place" posts won't make any difference.

I have been watching "Air Crash Investigations" on Sky, but only the last half - the first half is usually taken up with dramatisations of what was probably happening to the passengers and crew, and I don't want to watch that. But this evening's programme has made me wonder what the culture on the flight deck of Malaysian Airlines aircraft is like.

In a lot of places, the seniority of the captain is non-questionable, especially when senior pilots have a military background and their previous military rank follows them when they move to commercial flying. The last voice contact with ATC was from the first officer, which implies that the captain was the pilot flying. In many areas, the culture of seniority makes it difficult for the (more junior) first officer to comment, let alone intervene, if he thinks the captain isn't acting appropriately.

There have been a couple of those documentaries that I've watched, that have suggested that the captain (flying) has become disorientated, or has suffered a cardiovascular event, and the culture on the flight deck made it difficult, or impossible, for the first officer to take over. There is also the phenomenon of folie a deux, where two people in a close connection end up believing in something preposterous. Unfortunately, it'll need the recovery of the intact voice recorder to understand the interactions between the two pilots.

Apologies for the length of this post. If something matters to me, I can't help but write an essay. That's why I don't have a Twitter account.

Quinteszilla · 19/03/2014 20:47

Considering the area they are searching, is nearly 20% of the surface of the earth, much of it water, it truly is like looking for the proverbial needle in the haystack.

EverythingCounts · 19/03/2014 20:47

So the BBC news report I just watched said that the signal being broadcast for those last hours could only have come from a moving plane. That is presumably why the South Pole or near it are now being thought of as a likely destination? Because it was moving for all that time but apparently not showing up in anyone's airspace?

DowntonTrout · 19/03/2014 20:49

I think it's very important that we all KEEP posting and discussing actually, as the longer this goes on for, the more likely is that this story falls out of priority for the news. The pressure must be kept up by the public on the Malaysians to find out what happened to these poor people.

slugseatlettuce · 19/03/2014 20:50

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TwistedMelon · 19/03/2014 20:50

Okay I have a question which may be a dim one but I can't see an answer anywhere so here goes...

I thought the last known data placed it as turning west, flying back over Malaysia, then turning northish and heading towards the Andaman Islands? So why/how would it have ended up turning completely back on itself again to end up going south towards Australia or the South Pole??

Quinteszilla · 19/03/2014 20:52

Not somebody's airspace, but scientific data gathered over the polar regions for research? The polar regions are monitored, they are keeping an eye on the polar ice melt. Wonder if something would show up here? But you'd think they would notice!

JKSLtd · 19/03/2014 20:53

Think the last known place was from military radar but satellite pings from the computers on board to do with the RR engines show it was moving for another 7/8 hours.

The southern islands are down there:
The territory has no permanent civilian population. Those resident consist of visiting military personnel, officials, scientific researchers and support staff.

BingoWingsBeGone · 19/03/2014 20:54

Has James Bond not got an underground bunker in the South Pole?

Quinteszilla · 19/03/2014 20:54

Nah, thats Superman.

JKSLtd · 19/03/2014 20:55

I would think a slightly mindless flight heading in one direction to nowhere specific implies problems on board.

BingoWingsBeGone · 19/03/2014 20:58

Bugger. I'm sure I've seen an icy slidy roof...

Apologies for the interruption Blush. I am honestly finding this thread very informative, if not sad and scary.

JKSLtd · 19/03/2014 20:58

How do I add a photo ? Know I've seen it on other threads!

GarlicMarchHare · 19/03/2014 21:04

These threads are truly fantastic, and a credit to posters including Goldie. But I'm a tiny bit sceptical about Mumsnet's strategic importance to international terrorist groups Grin

Scene: Istanbul; a hot & dusty back-room.

Terrorist One: Planning update on Operation Maelstrom, Akhbar?
Akhbar: Good progress. We have secured the services of a satellite communications expert. He is committed to our cause ... now we have spoken to him 'in depth' ... ^raises eyebrow, meaningfully> See Report 1,367.
Terrorist One: What does Mumsnet think of him?
Akhbar: confused: Mumsnet?
Terrorist One: You haven't checked with Mumsnet? What incompetence is this?! A thousand curses on your wives and all their children! May your goats die of mange! Take this snivelling fool and execute him.
Exit Akhbar, struggling against guards.

sara11272 · 19/03/2014 21:09

I think that's exactly what's going on in terrorists' lairs, Garlic.

Do you think they'll be impressed by our tin foil millinery?

ChaffinchOfDoom · 19/03/2014 21:10

Thanks BRAVO!

GarlicMarchHare · 19/03/2014 21:16

Deffo, Sara Grin

HRHQueenMe · 19/03/2014 21:20

garlic :):):)

Fridafirefly · 19/03/2014 21:22

"There are reports of four flights containing disease experts from US and China flying into Diego Garcia in last four days."

Where had this been reported? Can anyone link?

sara11272 · 19/03/2014 21:23
Grin
JKSLtd · 19/03/2014 21:26

This is the first evening that I feel new info has come out. (Given the time difference).

It seems v likely now that- whatever happened on board - the plane ditched/crashed into the ocean west of Oz.

DowntonTrout · 19/03/2014 21:29

So the BBC says

That the information from the previous satellite pings has been recorded.

They know the plane was moving.

They know it has ended up at a point either end of the arcs.

It is a "reasonable assumption" that the plane was on a course toward the South Pole when it ran out of fuel and dropped out of the sky.

TodayIsAGoodDay · 19/03/2014 21:30

It was also heavily hinted at the all of this ^ info would have been known for the last few days. Those involved in the initial wild goose chase search must be furious about this.

TodayIsAGoodDay · 19/03/2014 21:31

*that all of this info

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