Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370... Thread 4

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AGnu that sounds plausible to me. There are reports of four flights containing disease experts from US and China flying into Diego Garcia in last four days.

To be honest, when it first happened I thought it was pilot suicide. Now I can't believe how caught up I've become with all the conspiracy theories. I've thought about nothing for the last few days, it has completely consumed me. I can't even begin to imagine what those poor families are going through.

Agnu - interesting theory.

If a biological weapon accidentally detonated on the plane, would it bring the plane down? I'd have assumed so, but know nothing about biological weapons and little about planes.

And given that the passengers and crew would presumably die of whatever disease without anyone knowing,why would the US and China bother to send people to save them rather than just let them die on an island with nobody any the wiser?

And further to that, why would they want them on a US base at all? - if the US had any say-so over where the plane landed, wouldn't they just want them to ditch in the sea or crash land on an uninhibited island so nobody knew?

Wow. Kay Burley really is a pit bull isn't she?

Every channels news report I've seen, there she is, glued firmly to the officials side, elbowing everyone else out of the way.

I'm not a fan but you've got to hand it to her, she's tenacious.

not if it needed 'containing' i guess sara. we're in the way out territory now though.

What about ..... fire started under the cockpit knocked out the radar, captain flew the plane to high altitude to extinguish the fire. The pilots had a total system failure turned back to find a airport, couldn't see it in the dark without radar and sadly the plane landed in the sea and sank without trace as all the fuel was used up.

Totally some say this wouldn't happen as the plane would disintegrate before the fuel ran out. It is certainly an interesting theory that could explain a lot, although I wonder why the pilot wouldn't have punched in a mayday code which would have only taken a couple of seconds?

Even with the reams of tinfoil I have gone through recently I still can't buy that it was biological weapons on board a normal passenger flight. I do waver towards the interesting cargo/person on board theory but that's a bit too out there

They know though or they very strongly suspect what happened.

And a great point on China Angela. I wondered though if we come back to the whole saving face thing and also that they are telling the relatives one thing whilst something else entirely is going on. They want to be seen to be doing the right thing when really they don't care...it's a mess really.

Livingzuid agree that it would be odd to say the least to put biological material on a passenger plane when there are plenty of other ways to transport it.

Today I am mostly wearing this headgear. I suggest you all make your own!

downton

Five reasons why disappearance is unlikely to be caused by terrorism

Frank Gardner
BBC security correspondent
There has been no claim or celebration by any known group
Government agencies did not detect any "ambient intelligence" or "chatter" about an imminent attack prior to the flight or afterwards
No obvious motive and no VIPs onboard
Background checks on flight crew and passengers have come up blank
No groups in the region are thought capable of such a sophisticated attack. South-east Asian militant group Jemaah Islamiya is greatly diminished, Chinese Uighurs are not thought capable, and both the Pakistani Taliban (TTP) and Afghan Taliban have denied involvement.

BBC speculation. I still think the simplest explanation is likely true, that being a fire/smoke which overcame the pilots despite their dealing with it so it didn't destroy the plane.

Angela is right about that though. This is after all the country that thought up baby hatches for people to dump their unwanted children, as opposed to abandoning them on the street, and said baby hatches have now been closed fore "clients" due to high demand. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-26607505

If you try to put aside the likeliness of weird ideas - can we look at the Diego Garcia theory?

A) could the plane have reached there?
B) would the satellite pings tally with flying there?
C) is there generally other traffic of any sort in that region that would see what was going on/could it land there & be kept secret?
D) would it tally with the Maldives sighting? But why would you fly low over them if being secretive?

And I still haven't seen definite facts re the altitude changes does anyone have a link for that?

difficultpickle I can think of several actually. Mind you all are speculation so please take with a pinch of salt!

For a start, the Malaysian government have got experts coming out of their ears helping them currently. IIRC there are experts from NTSB, the UK air transport people, the French air people (can't remember the correct names for the UK and France, sorry!), Inmarsat, Boeing, RR in KL. I think the FBI is there too (and it wouldn't surprise me if the CIA have got a finger in, or is that tin hat territory?!). Presumably they are also getting (some) data back from the various governments. So I think they're absolutely drowning in help and data at the moment. Now if I were to put my IT projects experience hat on (not comparable to this but the closest analogy I can come up with!), if I was in a shit situation, I would prefer to choose my experts, not just take on every expert who offered to help. It may be that down the line I would need to get more expert help, but I would prefer to make that decision as and when the situation arises (otherwise too many cooks come to mind).

Or, possibly the offer for help has not gone through the proper channels. 'Face' isn't the only important thing, so's protocol.

Could be political - a lot of Malaysians (who of course make up Malaysian agencies) are automatically suspicious of the US so any offer to help may not be jumped on immediately.

Or, the Malaysian government don't want too much outside help because they want to have tighter control over the findings.

Or, the Malaysian government think that local agencies are up to the job and don't require input from outside agencies.

As far as I can tell, it was the "legal and intelligence" agencies whose offers for help were refused. I think the comment from the source on the NYT is quite telling actually: "We just don’t have the right to just take over the investigation." Err, that's right, you don't. You can help, but it I should think only a very malleable nation would allow US investigators to completely take over an investigation of this magnitude, regardless of whether Malaysia has the experience or not (that whole face thing again).

AngelaDaviesHair I completely agree with this: One thing I really don't believe: that the Chinese regime gives a monkey's toss about 152 dead ordinary Chinese citizens and will stop at nothing to find out what happened to them. The Chinese govt would bump off that many of its own people without a moment's hesitation. They have apparently searched their airspace and moved satellites to look for the plane but offered zero transparency to the Malaysians in the process.

Which is why I find the Chinese insinuations and accusations so infuriating.

Thanks everybody. I am always right, as I tell DH.

I think the US will want to find out what happened to the plane, and will commit to searching long-term, at whatever level of intensity. It is a government/country that likely does care about the three of its citizens who were on the plane, that faces a greater terrorist threat than anyone else and wants to get out in front of whatever the terror groups are planning and capable of now, and that is the home country of the plane manufacturer, a major export business and world aviation leader. The British will care for similar reasons relating to terrorism and Rolls Royce, I hope.

Malaysia is more sophisticated than people are giving it credit for, but still a minnow caught between the two Pacific superpowers.

I'm not entirely surprised the Thais did not come up with radar information until now. Thailand is chaotic these days, and I can quite imagine the people who knew the radar info not being prepared to release information until getting a political/govt sign-off, which was slow in coming.

I have mine on too downtown The antennae are for communicating with the aliens because it was them wot done it.

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Ladies, I'm dropping in only for a few seconds - I've been in here pretty much every night for a week and I need to devote some time to other things tonight. Most especially DH - those of you who followed the other thread(s) know what an ange he's been for the last 10 days so tonight I think he deserves playtime

However, I just wanted to drop you Linky-Linky to say that Malaysian have a bit of a reputation in the industry for carrying things in the cargo hold of passenger jets that they shouldn't.

Whether it has any bearing on this case I know not. But I saw upthread comments about the things that it might have been carrying and these basically goes to show, well, who know [Gallic shrug]

Have a lovely evening

Thanks Goldie. Have a good evening.

Goldie's link redone - the original version didn't work for me.

Have a lovely evening, Goldie & thank you (& DH) for all the time you've put into this.

Oh my word goldie forgot her tinfoil hat that link took me to a page of alien speak and now she has given us a cover story of playtime to divert us from the fact that aliens have got Goldie

Disclaimer:

Apologies I know this is a very serious matter and I'm not minimising the plight of those with relatives missing

fflonkl I completely agree with you about the Chinese govt attitude towards their own citizens

Pickle I feel mine needs antennae.

It does have a transponder in the pointy bit

Ime one of the worst offenders for 'misdeclaring' cargo (by sea rather than by air) are the Chinese. No reason to assume that the airline would have deliberately loaded toxic cargo.