Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370... Thread 4

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WRT the relatives, there is NO excuse whatsoever for the behaviour of the Malaysian police, however I'm not surprised they've done this as the RMP is not known for their gentle handling of protesters!

However, I think most of the Chinese relatives don't speak other languages and therefore probably only have access to Chinese media (and nothing else), which hasn't exactly been reticent in criticizing the way the search has been carried out. It's like only reading Fox or the DM for your news, so it's not surprising that tempers are running high (some Chinese relatives in Beijing threw water bottles at MAS officials who were trying to help last week).

What is really annoying me about this is how bloody critical China (the government and media) have been - they have more satellites and military assets than Malaysia yet have not been very forward in offering help, unlike other SEA countries who have no or fewer people on MH370, and significantly less resources compared to China. I think China is definitely throwing their weight around to save face domestically and also because they see themselves as the regional power - must tell the little countries what to do, you see (plus telling Malaysia to be more transparent is a bit rich coming from China!).

Anyway I have no expertise/involvement in this apart from just being a Malaysian, and becoming increasingly frustrated with the slant of news on this. God knows the Malaysian government isn't exactly the most efficient or competent in the world, but I think they're completely out of their depth on this and having to rely on so many different countries and companies is not helping!

(Back to lurking and planning my DD's birthday party now!)

Interesting report, Hairy, eg:
"within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”"

What is Pravda saying?

There is nothing Putin won't stoop to imo but I sincerely hope it isn't anything like that. One thing is for sure is how manipulative govt and media can be.

fflonki :( and so true about the possibility they don't understand the English reports. It's all human tragedy and suffering unfolding before our eyes.

Sinistersal there is confusion over when the ACARS and when the transponder were shut down.

Initially they said 1.07 for the ACARS and some time after the last voice contact for the transponder. The timings are all a little more murky now.

However, I think the question you were asking can be answered in that the last ACARS report was said to have included at least the first change of direction being programmed into the flight plan. So when the CP last spoke to Malaysian ATC the direction change had already been programmed in to happen after sign off.

That is what was inferred at one of the press conferences.

A couple of interesting theories discussed in Pravda (English version):

"In conclusion, there are two other theories. British expert in the field of counterterrorism, a former scientific advisor to the British Home Office Sally Leivesley believes that the liner could become a victim of the world's first cyber hijacking, that is, it was stolen from a mobile device or USB-system installed on board the "Boeing"" for entertainment five months ago. According to her, the attackers could gain remote control of the control system of the aircraft. One source of the attack could be a mobile phone dialing malicious commands. This could change the speed, altitude and direction of the flight, as well as disable satellite detection system. The expert brought as an example a successful experiment conducted late last year at a scientific and technical conference in China, the newspaper Sunday Express reported.
A Canadian source has the alien theory suggesting that the plane was attacked by two unidentified objects (visible on the radar screens), was forced to change course and upon reaching a certain "window" was "taken to another dimension.""

at Pravda quoting the Sunday Express!

fflonkl what I don't understand is why has the Malaysian govt refused the help of the US experts? The US has probably the most sophisticated network of satellites and detection equipment so it seems very odd to me that Malaysia has turned down their offer of assistance

I'm wondering which dimension? now

Gosh, lots of intriguing & worrying new information on this thread today! I haven't yet read the fresh links posted, just wanted to respond to a couple of things.

Maybe the plane was expected to be tankered and was being flown at a distant target but wasn't in fact tankered and came down before getting there? - That is a VERY interesting theory, Doctrine.

Passengers' relatives: I would want to keep them away from the press, too, though I hope I'd be able to do it more tactfully. Look at what everyone all over the world is doing, including us here: theory after theory, question after question; misinformation being posted as fact. The relatives are going to be doing the same a thousandfold. Each statement, however irrelevant or unrealistic, is going to be examined in detail by the media - even more dead ends generated, even more mud in the water, probably innocent people being impugned by frightened, but ignorant, people. This is really the last thing the investigation needs.

Thai radar: Secondary (civilian) radar works by communicating with the aircraft. Primary (military) radar is proactive, in that it searches the sky and monitors objects reflecting its signal. Primary radar, therefore, monitors not just planes but flocks of birds, hot air balloons any other old rubbish in the sky.

It is not ridiculous that it would overlook an unexpected aircraft. (The Pearl Harbour invasion was missed because a fleet of US planes was expected at that time.) What usually happens is that primary radar sources check with secondary radar, as in "I've just seen something at XYZ co-ordinates, d'you know what that is?" Secondary: "No, how long has it been there?" Primary: "Not long, probably seagulls. Cheers."

Military radio operates on a different frequency from civil aviation. Commercial planes are not set up to receive military communications. For obvious reasons! This is why all the military installations report no contact with MH370; they don't have that capability.

Hairy, thats practically the same as my idea on the last thread, just replace putin/russia with terrorists!

Ie, the whole point was to make someone think that someone else did it.

Wow, Dinosaurs. The "highly suspicious cargo" theory ties in with all the mysteriousness - a plane stolen, either by pirates or by a government, for sensitive cargo would merit extreme measures to conceal it. Doesn't explain why the guards may have been killed in the Seychelles in mid-February, though ...

Link the highly suspicious cargo to cyber attack. Scary scary stuff.

I just posted this on the wrong thread, so C&P here:

I met a retired airline pilot this morning. He said he thinks this is all down to the co-pilot. He also said he thinks the plane could have been landed somewhere. This really surprised me because, TBH, I thought he would say the plane must be in the sea. His reasoning was that the tight security of the cockpit means that anything could happen in there and no-one else on the plane would know that anything had gone wrong. Scary thought.

I have no idea how this fits in with all the other theories. I didn't have time to ask him much more - it was literally 5 minutes passing conversation.

Oh - he also said it would be very simple to render everyone unconscious by flying very high for long enough, which it sounds as if might have been the case.

I have just come home, so apologies for not having had time to read the rest of this thread.

If the theory that it's Russia's doing then all the would need to do would be to reprogram is and point it towards Diego Garcia. The US not wanting to repeat allowing a rogue jet coming towards them would shoot it down. Russia would know that the US would then have to somehow deal with the responsibility of explaining it/hiding it from the world. If no one could pin the blame of diverting the jet on Russia but they could ascertain that the US shot it down, China would be suitably pissed off and Russia would have them on their side.

Blimey. My head is massive - didn't realise I could get a tin hat to fit but I clearly have.

@ XXL tin hat, Pickle. Me, too! (Amusing story about Italian hatmaker inappropriate here ...)

Hmm, where is the precious cargo supposed to have been between the guards dying mid Feb & it being loaded onto MH370 on 8th March?

Why use a freighter to transport the cargo in massive containers if the cargo is small enough to fit into the hold of a passenger plane?

Why would GRU warn the Chinese? Surely if the destination is China, then chances are that the Chinese are in cahoots with it being transported there?

Where has the information that mobile communications in the Chinese islands mentioned, were jammed? Can that be verified?

I'm not naive enough to think that Governments are above reproach, but that theory doesn't seem well constructed.

Maybe the navy seals were murdered because they new what the consignment contained that they had been paid to guard. Apparently, their employer is known to protect vital transfers of atomic and biological materials throughout the world.

Are we really supposed to believe that someone put atomic/biological materials on the flight, labelled them mangosteens & no-one noticed?! Sorry, as fetching as I look in my tinfoil hat, I'm just not buying it!

Just answered my own question "Why not just fly the 'suspicious cargo' from the Seychelles, then?" There are no direct passenger flights from Mahe to Beijing, or any Chinese airports. Does not answer the other obvious question, "Why not use private aircraft?"

Further tinfoil:

"A grim report prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is stating today that within 24-hours of this aircrafts “diversion” to the highly secretive Indian Ocean US military base located on the Diego Garcia atoll, no less than four flights, within the past week, containing top American and Chinese disease scientists and experts have, likewise, been flown to there."

www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1754.htm
Haven't looked for corroboration - unlikely there is any, tbh.

One thing I really don't believe: that the Chinese regime gives a monkey's toss about 152 dead ordinary Chinese citizens and will stop at nothing to find out what happened to them. The Chinese govt would bump off that many of its own people without a moment's hesitation. They have apparently searched their airspace and moved satellites to look for the plane but offered zero transparency to the Malaysians in the process.

I am quite surprised at the number of people on the thread prepared to point the finger at the US for some kind of nefarious involvement though. Even assuming that kind of secrecy were possible, I don't think that kind of action by the US is likely.

If teh US is so powerful, why would it not effect whatever plot it had afoot on the ground, and save killing innocents, including citizen's of the rival superpower in the region?

Apologies for typos and (abjectly) the rogue apostrophe. I am typing hurriedly while taking a break from the world's most annoying work task.

NCagain - the high altitude/hypoxia thing has been covered by Goldie a few times. Basically she says that a 777 with that much fuel shouldn't be able to get to 45000 feet in the first place because the atmosphere is too thin at that altitude to provide lift and the plane would fall out of the sky which is what happened in the Air France crash when the pilot tried to save the plane by ascending. She also said that even if it did somehow reach that high it wouldn't de-pressurise the cabin and induce hypoxia in the passengers - you would have to actually make a hole in the fuselage to do that and if you did that the passengers would be just as dead at 30000 feet as they would be at 45000 feet.

I'm sticking by my original theory. Hijack for someone/thing on the plane, landed safely in a remote location, passengers/plane of no further use just abandoned in the middle of nowhere. Personally I can't see the point in wasting bullets or time, or anything else needed to murder that number of people, if they're stuck in the middle of a desert/forest with very little chance of imminent rescue. It'd make sense for the hijacker(s) to get away as quickly as possible. Once they've disappeared, who cares if the passengers are found alive?

I'm sticking with this theory mostly because I'm struggling to see how else survivors will be found at this stage.

One thing I really don't believe: that the Chinese regime gives a monkey's toss about 152 dead ordinary Chinese citizens - This is the single most convincing component of my tin hat, Angela!

Ok, tinfoil hat back on... What if there were some kind of biological weapon on board for some reason which was accidentally detonated... No known cure so the plane's diverted to the nearest US base & lots of experts flown in to help save the passengers... Sounds vaguely plausible, right?! Lots of people say this feels like a cover up!