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Missing Malaysia Airlines MH370... Thread 4

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GoldieMumbles · 18/03/2014 18:37

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livingzuid · 19/03/2014 10:01

Full text of press conference. Very brief:

Guardian:

Here’s the full text of Hishammuddin’s opening remarks to the press briefing:

The search for MH370 continues. As I stated at yesterday’s press conference, this is now a truly international effort.

Our focus remains the search and rescue operation. We are working on narrowing the search corridor by:

gathering satellite information
analysing radar data
increasing air and surface assets, and
increasing the number of technical experts.
We are also taking further steps to address the needs of the families at this difficult time.

Operational update

I will start by giving a brief operational update.

As we have said, the search for MH370 involves diplomatic, technical and logistical challenges.

Accordingly, the main technical team organising the search and rescue operation has been broken into three groups: a diplomatic team, led by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs; an assets deployment and logistics team led by the Armed Forces; and a technical group retaining overall operational control, which is led by the Department of Civil Aviation.

On the diplomatic front, all 26 countries involved in the search and rescue operation have verbally agreed to assist the operations, and Malaysia has written to all countries formally requesting co-operation. A number of assets which have already been committed are awaiting diplomatic clearance to begin operations. Once we receive formal clearance, we can then speed up the deployment of assets along the search corridors.

As I stated yesterday, although the search is still co-ordinated by Malaysia, our partners are increasingly taking the lead in their own territory and in agreed search sectors. We welcome this, and again would like to thank all our partners for their continued assistance and support.

I can confirm that we have received some radar data, but we are not at liberty to release information from other countries. I appeal to all our partners to continue volunteering any and all information that could help with the investigation and the search for MH370.

Regarding reports that the plane was sighted in the Maldives, I can confirm that the Malaysian Chief of the Defence Force has contacted his counterpart in the Maldives, who has confirmed that these reports are not true.

Waypoints

I am aware of speculation that additional waypoints were added to the aircraft’s flight routing. I can confirm that the aircraft flew on normal routing up until the waypoint IGARI. There is no additional waypoint on MH370’s documented flight plan, which depicts normal routing all the way to Beijing.

Police investigation

On the police investigation, as the Inspector General of the Police confirmed, the case has been classified under Section 130C of the Penal Code. All passengers, crew and ground staff handling the aircraft are being investigated.

We are sharing all information relevant to the case with all relevant international investigative agencies that require it. We have received passenger background checks from all countries apart from Ukraine and Russia, both of which had nationals on board. So far, no information of significance on any passengers has been found.

Local and international expertise has been recruited to examine the pilot’s flight simulator. Some data had been deleted from the simulator and forensic work to retrieve this data is on-going.

I would like to take this opportunity to state that the passengers, the pilots and the crew remain innocent until proven otherwise. For the sake of their families, I ask that we refrain from any unnecessary speculation that might make an already difficult time even harder.

High level team

I would like to announce that in addition to the team that is already on the ground, Malaysia is currently assembling a high-level team that will immediately travel to Beijing. The team will give briefings and updates to the next of kin on the latest situation, and on search and rescue plans.

The team will include representatives from the Prime Minister’s Office, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Royal Malaysian Air Force, the Department of Civil Aviation, and Malaysia Airlines.

The team will be led by Lieutenant General Dato’ Sri Ackbal bin Haji Abdul Samad RMAF (Air Operation Commander, Royal Malaysia Air Force), assisted by Ahmad Nizar bin Zolfakar (Director, Air Traffic Services, Department of Civil Aviation) and will include a senior 777 pilot.

Concluding remarks

We will persevere. Our immediate focus is the search and rescue operation. We are pursuing every means possible to narrow the two search corridors.

livingzuid · 19/03/2014 10:05

Malaysia Airlines has promised to do more to keep the relatives up to date. Release on their site:

www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html

ChaffinchOfDoom · 19/03/2014 10:05

Malaysia looking v shady needs to 'look' like everythings open & honest whats the harm in hearing from the families

to living I don't want to cry, I'll lose my breath again

MrsPiggywinkle · 19/03/2014 10:07

livingzuid me too. That poor poor lady Sad

ChaffinchOfDoom · 19/03/2014 10:08

so the Ukrainian and Russian passenger(s) are the last unknown quantities

ChaffinchOfDoom · 19/03/2014 10:09

disliked how the spokesguy said - yes I fully understand how they are feeling

errr...no you effing dont

MyNameIsKenAdams · 19/03/2014 10:11

Just checking on the fourth thread. Cant believe how much is still unknown, at least to the public.

MerryMarigold · 19/03/2014 10:13

Malaysia needs some serious PR lessons. If they haven't told the families anything, why would they stop families talking to the press and at least affording them that outlet for their grief? Very odd and controlling...

ChaffinchOfDoom · 19/03/2014 10:16

shocked what the correspondent Jennifer Paq saying
diplomatic issues not allowing military planes into certain areas - no searching happening in new areas.. and families being corralled in their hotel rooms

livingzuid · 19/03/2014 10:22

Scuse my language but quite frankly fuck diplomatic issues pregnancy rage

livingzuid · 19/03/2014 10:25

Malaysia has dismissed reports of a possible sighting of the plane in the Maldives. The authorities in the Maldives have told Malaysia the reports are “not true”, according to acting transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein.

ChaffinchOfDoom · 19/03/2014 10:27

it's very sensitive to allow people's military planes into other peoples sky space...just in case while someones there they decide to conquer Malaysia or something equally bollocks and ridiculous

livingzuid · 19/03/2014 10:31

OK I have recovered some equilibrium Blush just urgh at politics at a time like this. Why can't people just come together and work together and for once put stupid bickering aside? I know I sound like I'm in lala land but there are real people at the heart of this suffering.

Chaffinch, yes, must remember to breathe :) My tin foil is out at the mention of Ukranian and Russian passangers still with outstanding info but then given how busy Putin is trying to take over the world it's not surprising this isn't priority.

The way the relatives are being treated I would sincerely hope not happen in Europe, but it makes you wonder why are they trying to stop them so forcibly?

PsammeadPaintedTheLion · 19/03/2014 10:32

I'm still not entirely sure about the known movements of the plane.

It took off fine, was on course until the edge of Vietnam airspace, did the last communication, everything went dead and the plane took off to the west. Right?

Do we know for sure that it changed course again? Something about waypoints... ?

JKSLtd · 19/03/2014 10:35

According to the bbc man - it was the relatives talking to their own (Chinese) journos that caused concern - maybe a Chinese rule given to the Malays? But sad how they enforced it.
And having a 'minder' suddenly seems sinister instead of helpful.

ChaffinchOfDoom · 19/03/2014 10:36

yep - Im not sure either what is fact after that, it flew a crooked path apparently?

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 19/03/2014 10:36

Just had a thought. Will chinese passengers family be missing any of the info, will they have internet access or will it be being prevented somehow and they only know what Malaysia/china/chinese media are telling them? (Not that we know much on t'internet, but we have access to non official experts who can give their opinions). Thinking that they have been flown out quickly, no normal visas etc, so havent been 'approved' to access the outside world.

Dont know much about how chinese citizens leaving the country works, so apologies if im being stupid! Blush

MerryMarigold · 19/03/2014 10:37

I think the Malay authorities have a fear of being denounced as incompetent (again) by relatives and on national TV, losing control of the press conference. They don't want unknown quantities. I'm sure if relatives wanted to talk to journalists, they would be allowed, surely.

livingzuid · 19/03/2014 10:38

Here is the TIME article stating that this is the longest time a plane has been missing in modern aviation.

time.com/28960/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-search-widens-record/

not sure when modern aviation starts though?

hickorychicken · 19/03/2014 10:39

Whats the likeliness the passengers are alive? Sad

PsammeadPaintedTheLion · 19/03/2014 10:40

I can't get the same videos as you guys are looking at. I did just see a short clip of a very distressed woman in a red top being carried away from journalists, screaming Sad

Is it possible that she was being carried away because she was upset with the journos? Or is it certain that she was being kept away from the journos? It just seems a bizarre and cruel thing to do.

livingzuid · 19/03/2014 10:40

And this from the Telegraph earlier today on when the last communication was received by the cockpit vs when the transponders were turned off. Interesting.

'09.06 Arguably the most important detail which will help investigators know whether they are dealing with a hijacking is when the plane changed course - whether it was before or after the co-pilot's last message to ground control.

It emerged overnight from US officials that the abrupt U-turn made by the plane is believed to have been programmed into the onboard computer before the last radio contact was made with the co-pilot.
Sources say the change in direction was made about 12 minutes before Fariq Abdul Hamid told controllers: "All right, good night." This would indicate that the cockpit knew of possible difficult and did not alert officials.'

livingzuid · 19/03/2014 10:41

psammead see above text from press conference which had a waypoint update.

Waypoints

I am aware of speculation that additional waypoints were added to the aircraft’s flight routing. I can confirm that the aircraft flew on normal routing up until the waypoint IGARI. There is no additional waypoint on MH370’s documented flight plan, which depicts normal routing all the way to Beijing.

firstchoice · 19/03/2014 10:41

the very obvious 'managing' of the relatives gives an indication of how much 'managing / controlling' is being done overall, I think.

As livingzuid says, why cant they all work together for once?
The potential rescue of those in peril is way behind the 'saving face' and political posturing, as per bloody usual...

I thought Micheal Oren's (former Israeli ambassador to US) remarks on CNN were pretty off too - talking about precedents for 'shooting down' planes over Israeli airspace... a statement of concern for passengers and families and an offer to help the international effort would have been more appropriate, no?

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