Missing Malaysia Air plane MH370 - Part 3

[KenAdams]

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Garlic...I stay well away from those sites but glad to hear other people are proposing the same thing, it makes me feel less individually responsible for educating the wider public

Sorry, not a flippant situation really is it. I know.

angeladavies what eric says makes a lot of sense and seems very feasible compared to what the media are saying.

If it has sunk to the bottom of the sea intact, why are the aviation experts saying that there will always be something that floats and that there would be no chance of it being hidden?
Surly that is a possibility, even if an unlikely one.

Sonar should eventually find it?
They have found lost ships sunk at sea after all...

Angela. Could that have happened and the plane still fly on for several hours? Without crashing somewhere fairly obvious?

Beaverfeaver perhaps there is (or was) debris on the surface somewhere that has not yet been searched (e.g. west of Australia, south in the Indian Ocean) but that would probably be dispersing after so many days, and would therefore be even harder to spot.

I don't know Merry, but I suppose if it downed in the Indian Ocean it would be very hard to know where to look.

So, according to Eric, there was an oxygen problem early on in the flight. The pilots managed to turn the plane around, turn off the transponder and ACAS accidentally, but then fainted/ died and the plane flew on (managing to change direction) over the ocean and then went down when it ran out of fuel 7 hours later.

Sounds less plausible than hijacking to me!

Eric's theory is attractive, but doesn't explain the route changes afaik. If the autopilot made them, the autopilot was tampered with.

It seems to me that whatever someone thought couldnt happen, has happened.

xpost again, Merry, I must stop doing that

When they talk of the Malaysia flight tailgating the Singapore one, surely it couldn't get too close or it would suffer from turbulence from the leading aircraft? After all, thats why they stagger take off like they do.

Cyber hijacking if you ask me, as I linked to on thread two.

The Indian Ocean is huge though, something floating could take years to wash up anywhere and then it would have to be plastic to a) float b) not disintegrate.

It might prove that the plane had crashed into the sea but would still not give you a clue as to where unfortunately.

Those poor families, how in god's name do you get through each day with all these dreadful thoughts and theories swirling around. Too awful.

The way I understood what Eric was saying is that the plane changing direction could have been done by the pilots under the influence of lack of oxygen....

a mistake causing another mistake, leading to another mistake....

The whole lack of oxygen thing has been disproven. It wasn't catastrophic failure of systems but a deliberate act that caused this. The whole lack of oxygen thing was actually Goldie's preferred hypothesis but with this new information over the last few days is not plausible.

There's a lot about it in the first threads.

I do agree with Mark L Berry that the painful hope the families have now may be the worst thing. Many will have been gradually adjusting to the idea their relatives were dead, and now suddenly, they might just, just, be alive somewhere. Vanishingly unlikely, but just possible. What torture.

So the latest on the telegraph is that the pilot was forced by Taliban to land plane on the border of Afganistan...

When they talk of the Malaysia flight tailgating the Singapore one, surely it couldn't get too close or it would suffer from turbulence from the leading aircraft? After all, thats why they stagger take off like they do.

Yes, there was a big crash in NY in 2001 when a pilot overcompensated for the turbulence of the plane that had taken off just before: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_587

Really Beaver? Do they have any evidence for that or are they just guessing like the rest of us.

Eric's theory is fairly plausible too but I'm not fully convinced re the headings on turnaround. If they they turned round because of suspicion of a fault, I really do think that this would have been communicated (yes, I know aviate/navigate/communicate). If the plane was flying unmanned after turning round, would it have made all the changes in altitude?

This has probably already been linked to, but makes for some interesting theorys and goes to show how cheap and easy it is to manipulate the course of something:

www.itproportal.com/2014/03/12/was-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-brought-down-by-a-cyber-attack/

nb: this was last updated 5 days ago... so they were thinking it before the rest of the media it seems.

Regarding the debris issue, the Adam Air flight that crashed in Jan 2007 between Borneo and Sulawesi (sp?), the debris wasn't discovered for a good 7 - 14 days after, and that's a narrow strait between the two islands. So a crash in open ocean, the debris could take weeks (or even never) to turn up.

With the Air France crash, the ACARS data helped very much to pinpoint where to send the search planes to look, and the first items were discovered within a couple of days. Obviously, with ACARS switched off in this flight, they can't go on that data. I reckon the perpertrators in this case would have studied the reports of the AF447 crash meticulously for ideas.

Also, there was a cargo flight that totally disappeared over the Pacific between Japan and Brazil in the 70's with a priceless load of Japanese art that not a trace of has been found.

You can really see what my reading matter has been this past week

Thearticfunky All just speculation I guess - I cant even find the link to the web article again!

And it was definitely the Co pilot who spoke last. Also something here about the conflicting info about when the systems were turned off as a pp mentioned earlier.

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/17/mh370-missing-plane-co-pilot-verbal-communication

I have forgiven the Guardian now they have started to write sensibly again!

But what on earth would be the point of getting an airliner to land there, complete with passengers and crew, and then not tell anyone they had it?

Bonkers.

The plane changed route more than two hours after take-off. How long does Eric think those pilots were semi-consciously flying their plane?