Missing Malaysia Air plane MH370 - Part 3

[KenAdams]

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That's an interesting viewpoint from the pilot, thanks for posting that.

Goldie don't let the bastards get you down. Thank you for all your postings on these threads, they've been really helpful and interesting. Sadly, people will sometimes attack if they feel intimidated or jealous of someone who is more knowledgeable than them.

Sadly, though, sexism is still everywhere. Even in my old profession, where 70% at least of those entering it are female, I and many others came up against it many times.

I hope they find the plane and work out what happened very soon. My relatives' friends know people on that flight. I hope and pray they get answers very soon.

if I knew the police were coming to do a thorough search of my house, I'd take the kids out. to grannies/wherever .. also could be pap avoidance, very sensible to protect his kids, tbh

This is so sad. My heart breaks for the families :(

Some have threatened to go on hunger strike if they don't get more information

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/18/malaysia-airlines-hunger-strike-chinese-missing-plane-mh370

Delurking to say that I have really enjoyed reading this over the last few days, sensible theorising and lots of interesting inside info from Goldie. Shame it's gotten derailed by an attention seeker like tiaramasu

The family of Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, pilot of the vanished MH370, had moved out of their residence in Laman Seri even before the flight's disappearance last Saturday, according to The Malay Mail.

According to their report, reporters had visited the family's house yesterday but discovered no one at home, except their 38-year-old maid. "Captain Zaharie's wife and three children had camped at their second house in Subang a day before the incident." said Norhayati Wahiduddin.

"They only came back to collect some clothes and they just asked if everything was alright around the house." Norhayah also dismissed claims that police had raided the house as reported by a local Malay daily.

"No one has come in", she said, adding that Zaharie's wife had moved out with their three children. The eldest is already working, the second recently completed studies in Australia and the third is still studying.

"They're not that close to the neighbours here because they don't always live in this house." Meanwhile a security guard, who declined to be named, described Zaharie as a kind man. "Captain Zaharie was a very kind and generous man. When he would come back from abroad, he would always distribute and share food with us," said the security guard.

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So it's possible that they have a couple of properties that they divide their time in and a perfectly usual/normal thing they do.

Also, a lot of Malaysians are pissed off with the government and the political smear campaigns and the latest general election. Maybe even most, so I wouldn't necessarily think this is a political action by a hugely experienced pilot. That's a red herring as far as I'm concerned.

Chaffinch - your theory & the Goodfellow one are compelling. Why were the Govts so quick to assume terrorism when the plane went 'dark' & not other factors e.g smoke & then a fire first???

I think even had this wife left him, it would be pretty shakey to say in that case, he definitely killed himself and loads of other people. People leave people all the time without them killing themselves. And he was a pilot, by nature I should imagine relatively clear headed and reasonable. I know people do flip out, but I don't buy it.

I like the pilot's perspective that was linked to. A fire, pilot turned everything off to isolate it, and also changed course in an attempt to get to a nearby airport. Was overcome by smoke, but possibly his actions stopped the fire from breaking out properly, so the flight just carried on until it ran out of fuel and fell into the sea.

I think that's by far the simplest explanation and probably is the right one.

Canalside - the pilot was at the actual trial though only hours before he flew. Were thousands or even hundreds or was it unusual? He felt v strongly & his co-pilot may have supported the move (allegedly he did)..

I would prefer to believe the fire theory - as awful as preference sounds in these terrible circumstances.

Sorry if this has already been posted but just read this theory which seems very sensible and written by an experienced pilot:

plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13cv1gohsmbv5jmy221vrfyiz3vdhbop04

Psammead - tend to agree. Why has the fire, v simple explanation, not occurred to the powers-that-be? They were quick (?) to shout foul play...

Two female friends of mine are aeronautical engineers - I did wonder whether Goldie might be one of them but she's a year too old, from her CV . The other one's at NASA. Clearly there are a lot of female aeronautical engineers about... (Dontcha just love leaping to conclusions based on very little evidence...?)

Re the wife and children leaving. As far as I can see, this is a complete red herring. Children are all adults, only one (in 20s) lives at home. Wife went to stay at their SECOND HOME the day before. I've only seen this much detail in one place and now can't find it, but it seemed plausible (may have been New Straits Times). All sorts of reasons why she might have done that, not least the fact that the first house was going to be empty if her DH was away anyway.

I'm not a psychologist, but it seems to me that people are reading a hell of a lot into what may be not very much at all. If my DH flies abroad for work and is away in school holidays or weekends, usually I pack up the kids and go to see my parents or friends. Likewise if I go somewhere without them I get paranoid and start telling my DH what to do with my stuff if something should happen. Not saying that these things can't be suspicious in retrospect, just saying that they're actually meaningless of themselves.

I've now read that the Captain was already divorced or separated from his wife, but that they still shared a house. Perhaps that arrangement broke down.
If a couple of very bad things happen to someone and immediately afterwards they are in a situation that could be explained by their suicide, we have to consider the likelihood of that! Never mind that we would not have expected a man like that to commit suicide in that way.

X-post with Sunday whilst I was trying to find the link she'd already found!

Goldie I imagine that you are immune to the haters- nonetheless I am also delurking to thank you for your input.

I love the expression 'you only hear the boos from the cheap seats'...it seems apposite.

With all that I have read, it seems to me that this is one that will be a mystery for years to come.

The poor families.

Another de-lurker. Please come back Goldie.

, Goldie. I also really value your input and am sorry you had to be on the receiving end of the earlier bullshit. Your posts have been really informative - even though I don't always totally understand them, having the kind of brain that turns to cotton wool when thinking about sciency things.

Delurking here as well to say thank you to Goldie as well. Why do people take it upon themselves to drive posters away? Very selfish. Keep posting Goldie please.

I have been reading with interest, although haven't commented before.

It's a bizarre situation. I hope everyone finds out what happened soon, especially for the poor families waiting for news.

have been following all threads since the start..but had nothing to add so just lurking.......however I would just like to add support of Goldie. It has been great to have someone with some experience on the thread, I doubt she thinks she is queen of all knowledge (what a ridiculous thing to comment) however she knows a great deal more than me and I appreciate the time she has taken to explain certain things in ways I can understand. Thanks Goldie..please come back and see those who think they can make an attack as the very small minority they are.

More from the BBC - inside a simulator and how to change a flight path. Tis a video.

www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26611302

I still don't think it's a fire thing or loss of oxygen. The Malaysian government, for all their strange info giving, have been insistent that it was deliberately diverted. But whether that was for a suicide, hijack, robbery or whatever else, we just don't know. And we don't know who. Maybe we won't ever. Which would drive me nuts and I can't even think what having no closure for the families would be like.

Chinese press conference info (have switched allegiance to BBC from the Guardian for today):

10:18: Meanwhile, Chinese officials in Beijing have also held a press conference. They said that at Malaysia's request, China is using high-resolution satellites and radar to search the vast Chinese section of a northern air corridor the Malaysians believe might have been one of the plane's possible routes.
10:17: Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hong Lei said the searchers would re-examine previous information collected by China's sophisticated satellite and radar network. The same technology will be used to comb Chinese territory for current signs of the Boeing 777.

And the latest press conference from Malaysia has finished, with zilch info:

10:15: The press conference has wrapped up, leaving many questions unanswered. The Malaysian authorities were unable to comment on the ongoing investigation into the passengers and flight crew, or narrow down the location of the plane.

And just on the news now the Malaysian government saying they can't be sure when the communication system was shut down.

Between this plane going missing and Putin's antics in the Crimea I'm just at everything.

This is possibly going to be a very stupid question, but have they checked where the wife was going, and why, and if there was any chance of her meeting her husband there?