Missing MH370 thread cont...

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Old thread here

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so goldie whats your opinion on what has happened?

Of course MH370 was not the only plane flying (wherever) that night. There would also have been hundreds of scheduled passenger and frieght flights in the area. Wouldn't MH370 have shown up on any of their radars, possibly as an unidentified flight? Wouldn't the pilots of any of those scheduled flights have reported this anomaly that they were seeing on their radar to air traffic controllers?
There are many countries in whichever direction MH307 took. Surely their military ATCs would have spotted an unidentified flight in,or approaching, their airspace and taken action to determine what it was / scramble escorts etc?

I think it was shot down. That would explain the lack of mobile phone messages from the passengers. Having shot it down, the Govt that did so then directed search efforts away from the crash zone until they had had time to clean the area up. It's possible that it was shot down because it had been hijacked - as the transponders etc had been turned off and the plane was off its scheduled flight plan but seemingly being flown by someone with pilot training.

Yes as Joules said what do you do with 239 people, food, toilet etc.

There was a poster on PPrune several days ago who suggested that this might be the first of a few similar attacks, designed to make people afraid to fly and so cause damage economically - I suppose because a plane disappearing without explanation is more frightening than a straightforward terrorist/hostage situation. It sounded outlandish at the time but maybe more likely now that it seems to have been confirmed as a hijacking and no-one's claimed responsibility?

Then again, I wonder how easy it would be to repeat something like this when presumably security will be stepped up everywhere in its wake. Not to mention that even after 9/11 the airline industry recovered within a few years, so who knows if it would even be effective. I suppose it's probably more likely that whatever their plan was it just went wrong, as Goldie said.

Does anyone know precisely how much fuel it loaded up with at KL.

If the pilot was involved could he have understated the initial fuel readings and put 1-1.5 hours more fuel in ?

"so goldie whats your opinion on what has happened?"

Based on the new information it seems that my prvious favourite theory has been discounted (depressurisation followed by hypoxia).

I think we're left with a hostile takeover (hijack or one of the pilots) with an attempt to get it somewhere to be used in a terror attack that's somehow failed. Either fuel starvation or it's been shot down.

It's clear there's a huge amount known that we're not being told.

I also think the US has a pretty bloody good idea where it is.

Please stop talking everyone, I'm desperately trying to catch up

A knife attack in a station is surely a whole different kettle of fish from a massively well-planned and orchestrated hijacking (and hiding) of a huge passenger jet - surely? If it was Uyghur separatists I will be well and truly stunned.

"There would also have been hundreds of scheduled passenger and frieght flights in the area. Wouldn't MH370 have shown up on any of their radars, possibly as an unidentified flight? Wouldn't the pilots of any of those scheduled flights have reported this anomaly that they were seeing on their radar to air traffic controllers?"

I'm just trying to clarify - are you suggesting that the other aircraft carry radar that can see other aircraft in the area?

If so, I'm sorry but that's not the case. The only true radar carried by an airliner is a weather radar. It has something called TCAS (Traffic-alert and Collision Avoidance System) that makes the pilot aware of other aircraft around him or her but it doesn't give the info that a true radar would and is really only there to avoid collisions (does what it says on the tin!)

"Its doubtful they really knew they where plummeting downwards"

Really? Even if it just dropped out of the sky would there not have been some sort of gravitational pull?

Would they have all instantly died on impact?

Just curious really as flying over the Atlantic terrifies me especially after that French plane crash

" That would explain the lack of mobile phone messages from the passengers."

Oh pleeeaaaaaseeeee!!!!! I've gone through that 3 times before!

Phones don't work above 25000feet!!!!!!!!!!!!

can I ask a stupid question then and ask what the hell its got to do with the US?

We are watching from Singapore. I feel the whole region is holding its breath.

Surely any wreckage on water would have been spotted by now. I feel the plane must be on land.

"Really? Even if it just dropped out of the sky would there not have been some sort of gravitational pull?

Would they have all instantly died on impact?"

We're going off topic a bit but the AF A330 was essentially flown down to the ocean. It wasn't really a 'plummet' like the press would have you believe. It stalled all the way down but when an aircraft is descending you don't get that feeling in your tummy when the descent rate is stable. Only when you start the descent - like coming over the top of a roller-coaster.

Yes, it would have been instant. Surface tension on the water would mean it was like hitting concrete.

Well the US came in to help then suddenly switched their search area.

Like i said on the other thread, those mofos know everything

Ok thank you Goldie

"Does that mean the tracking software on eg iPads and iPhones which locates these would also not work?"

If there's no cellphone signal, what can the iPhone send the tracking message to? It can receive info from a satellite (like all the GPS functions) but it can't transmit to a satellite. It'd need a huge antenna to do that. So no, the tracking software won't work.

"Yes as Joules said what do you do with 239 people, food, toilet etc."

I suspect you wouldn't like the answer...

Was GPS (I assume that's what you're talking about, I don't have an iPhone) isn't always allowed on flights, and even when it is it's normally very difficult to get a signal. I assume you mean to track the flight up to where it crashed, assuming that's what happened, as if it's in the sea GPS wouldn't work underwater anyway.

Gill the lack of mobile messages has already been explained in the previous thread.

I think we're left with a hostile takeover .... that's somehow failed.

Why do you think it's failed ?

It seems to me it's very likely to have succeeded (ie landed).

For instance to hide it all you'd need is a big piece of tarpaulin and some cables.

"A knife attack in a station is surely a whole different kettle of fish from a massively well-planned and orchestrated hijacking "

It is but it seems like such a coincidence given the number of Chinese citizens aboard.

Oops, double cross-post, sorry!

Joules, there are Americans on board the plane.

What doesn't have something to do with the US?

I know hope, from reading this thread, that the plane has plummeted into the Indian Ocean for whatever reason. Yes, it would mean that all passengers are dead, but it sounds like it would have been a quick & instant death. Far less terrifying than being landed somewhere, waiting to be flown in to something as part of a terrorist attack in the style of 9/11 .