Missing MH370 thread cont...

[Pennies]

Old thread here

New thread here.

The flying time from KL to Pyong Yang is over 7 hours. Seeing as the plane had already been in the air for a while before turn back and last known position to the west of Malaysia, I seems unlikely it could get that far.

And not unseen. Some Chinese statements/actions might be puzzling, but I think they'd notice a non-responding, unexpected airframe in N Koean airspace (an area which is one of the very heavily, and real time, monitored places).

That's exactly what i was just about to say impatience

So, its obviously landed somewhere - into the ocean or on land? If the ocean we may never know, if on land surely questions need to be asked about how it got there without somebody sounding the alarm

Its just so baffling :(

Surely NK wouldn't risk the wrath of China, they depend too much on China's support. Besides, I would imagine NK is very, very tightly monitored by the West.

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/03/14/heres-how-we-know-mh-370-kept-flying-for-hours/?wpisrc=nl_hdln

another interesting article.

I have to say I think it's in the ocean, possibly explaining why it hasn't been found. So baffling, I am goggled eyed at all of this. I know it is morbid but it is so, so strange.

Ah, thank you meditrina. That rules out that possibility then. Someone (and probably a lot of someones!) must know more than they are saying, which is probably the scariest part for me. If something is being hidden, it must be something very significant surely .

I don't about the logistics of it, but I don't think even the North Koreans are barmy enough to hijack a plane full of Chinese people. China is keeping the afloat, they can't afford to upset them.

if its in the ocean surely it would break up on entry or at some other point? therewould be debris of some sort?

I wonder if the hijackers might try to:

1. Negotiate release of Guantanamo prisoners

1. Target somewhere in Europe with the 777

1. Threaten 2 to get 1.

Takes a moment to hand Goldie a stiff and

Very informative and clear posting on this, whilst keeping us in check

It's a conspiracy theorists dream.

marking my spot

I doubt NK has anything to do with it either.

Whoever it is are very fucking brave to take a plane full of Chinese citizens

I suppose if they weren't looking in the right ocean it is no wonder no wreckage has been found. The air france crash did take a while to locate (and they knew roughly where it must've gone down) so I guess it has some precedent..but I agree you'd think they would have found some wreckage by now. All very, very odd.

Seems inconceivable that the Chinese don't know more than they are saying.

"therewould be debris of some sort?"

Yes, normally you would expect to see debris. But after a week, depending on the currents where it entered the water, it could have drifted quite some distance. And that's not allowing for variables such as angle/speed of entering the water (which make a difference to how it breaks up and thus what size pieces of debris might be).

My gut instinct when it first happened was that it was somehow linked to that knife attack in a Chinese railway station. The two events are only about a week apart.

I still do wonder about that.

I agree you'd think they would have found some wreckage by now

Why? Needle in a haystack doesn't even come close. And actually, I don't think it's come down in the ocean. Why hijack it, just to take it miles off course and crash it? If you want that, nose-dive it straightaway.

There's "strange goings-on afoot" and I reckon it's been landed, and the authorities have got a good idea where.

"or is there some fatal flaw in that assumption?"

PCN?

What's PCN?

I admit I don't know anywhere near enough about foreign politics - my thought process was as simple as "plane goes missing near China in suspicious circumstances. China is near NK, who are lead by a notoriously insane leader". I suppose, now that it has been pointed out, China could quite easily annihilate NK if they so wished - so why would NK consider it.

It does beg the question though "who the hell has hijacked a plane full of Chinese citizens?" Which is really what the world wants to know.

"Why hijack it, just to take it miles off course and crash it?"

I posted the answer twice on the original thread. The hijackers of the Ethiopian 767 that crashed when it ran out of fuel. They were trying to get somewhere out of range of the aircraft. Remembering that the fuel burn is different at different altitudes, so if lower, fuel burn is higher.

Those poor people on the Air France plane, im not scared of flying but I'll admit that flying over the Atlantic was pretty scary, cant imagine how they must have felt knowing they where plummeting into that ocean, hopefully they where unconscious and knew nothing about it. The thought of it is terrifying

"What's PCN?"

Pavement Category Number - bearing strength. 777s have a particularly high ACN (Aircraft Category Number), meaning they damage pavement easily. Putting it down on an abandoned runway in Indonesia would likely just put the landing gear straight through the pavement.

so the 239 people....assuming they are alive.....they will need to be fed

its 'lost' all over again.

Ooh - tea and cake. Ta!

"cant imagine how they must have felt knowing they where plummeting into that ocean"

It's doubtful they really knew they were plummeting downwards.