Missing MH370 thread cont...

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Old thread here

New thread here.

I think that they were iffy about the McCann tragedy.

There are photos out there ...there's usually a few on each web page...I found some by clicking on web pages like the bbc then linking to other pages from there. Think I've seen pics of about 20 which is a small number but I only saw the photos of the Irish girl doctors from the air France crash so don't think it suggests anything at all.

Yes, tiara, but that was and is an ongoing police investigation which includes a British family

Sat and had an interesting conversation with DH about aviation fuel. For those that don't know, it's actually diesel, not petrol. It's cetane, not octane. His refinery regularly made Jet A-1 and had a pipeline direct to Heathrow.

He does remember making a batch of Jet A-7 during the Gulf War, which was used in the Stealth bombers.

Right, back to the thread now.

Here's a couple but generally each page I've seen them on, has only has one or two
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26503469

"He does remember making a batch of Jet A-7 during the Gulf War, which was used in the Stealth bombers."

JP-7 is a very special fuel that was developed for the SR-71 reconnaisance plane. It had some very, very special ramet engines... JP-7 has a very high flashpoint which the SR-71 needs because it's skin gets so hot at the Mach 3 cruising speed. I guess it was for this rather than the stealth bombers?

Sorry, off topic...

goldie do you mind me asking if you are a pilot? Flying terrifies me and I haven't flown for years but my dd and DH are flying to america in a few weeks and it is making me feel sick just thinking about it.

A few of the posters here mentioning that it could be a diversion while another, worse (if that's possible) scenario is planned is a very scary thought.

I wonder if we will ever know what happened.

i really don't mean to trivialise anyone's fears and concerns but to be honest i would think flying in the next few months is going to be the safest time ever to fly as security measures will be so shit hot.

i appreciate the fear is real but i don't think the 'need' or rational for it is iyswim.

The photos in the bbc link are heartbreaking. So horrible for the families still not to know.

Honeybadger is spot on. Not looking forward to the security, but we're flying to the US and Canada twice in the next six months and I feel safe. Much happier to have had our Air India flight to Mumbai out of the way last month... Please don't worry, the chances of it happening to you are miniscule.

miniscule and considerably smaller than they would have been a month ago i'd say. it will be safer.

Thanks honeybadger and lessons I hadn't thought of it like that. The last time I flew was four days after September the 11th and it was just awful.

Those poor people.

i'm beginning to feel a bit of a sociopath because the photos aren't heartbreaking for me. nor am i scared or expecting disaster. maybe i'm a robot.

Jam, on that bbc link do you find it odd that it reads as though they are eliminating all those people as suspects, or sometimes speculating?

For instance the american man took off his wedding ring and watch before he left and said 'if anything happens to me give my wedding ring to our first married son and my watch to the second. I find that irrelevant!

The first two iranian men... Something about them being nervous.

It seems like a bit of a witch hunt, or is that just me?

Thinking about the parents on the flight suddenly realising what was happening to them and that their children were going to die makes me feel utterly bereft.

It's just so weird. And grim.

TheHoneyBadger. To me it is literally one plane out of I dont know how many that fly daily around the world.

Not saying it's what happened here by suicide by plane crash is commoner than you'd think: www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEcQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aviation-safety.net%2F2013%2F12%2F22%2Flist-of-aircraft-accidents-caused-by-pilot-suicide%2F&ei=1vwlU_y-Gcaf0QXK2oGwDA&usg=AFQjCNFmu6UXXymNIAp4bIuBpHLWANvDqA&sig2=WeMX47dhaGq076JJpG-zMA (apologies for the megalink!)

My 2p worth is that the plane probably crashed into the ocean and no wreckage has been found because it got dispersed / sank in the four or five days when everyone was looking inthe wrong direction.

I flew a few days after 9/11 and the security for a 'poxy' Ryanair flight to Pisa was insane. I say poxy in inverted comments because I didn't think anyone would be interested in that type of flight, but now having seen this incident it makes one wonder....Admittedly all my travels are around Europe for the next couple of months but I'm not bothered about flying.

Travelling to USA and Canada you can be sure will be watertight. I remember when I went and they used to security bag up in a clear bag all the hold luggage. It took hours to get checked in and go through security.

It is certainly a very secure time to fly. In fact it always is. I can't remember the statistics but even with incidences like this the air travel is still I believe the most safe form of travel available.

If it had crashed and sunk, wouldn't someone have admitted responsibility by now? (Unless it was solely someone on board's doing)

Being that the comms were disabled deliberately...

tiaramasu that's it. All those flights zooming around all the time. It is sheer misfortune that those poor people boarded this flight. That sounds lame and dismissive to label it misfortune, and I certainly don't mean it as such, but it really was unfortunate in a bare bones statistical sense.

Its the only way to look at it.
We'd never get out of bed if we looked at how many times more dangerous it is to drive than to fly.

It's bad enough trying to get into the US from Canada. At Calgary airport, for instance, they won't let you into US immigration more than 3 hours before take off. If you arrive at a busy time, once you've collected your bags and put them back on a different carousel and then joined the immigration queue, you need those three hours to get through. I know people who have missed their flight.

I'm not consistent in how I react to news stories. I got kinda obsessed with the story of those 3 girls held captive for 10 years in America. To the extent that I had nightmares about it. And since having kids i get affected by abductions and child abuse etc.

Other stories I hardly think about again. This one fascinates me and worries me in a could-9-11-happen-again way. I remember feeling just so weird that day and like life would never be the same again, even though I lived thousands of miles away from it all. Turns out not much changed, bar airport security being a pain.

Goldie - just a quick question to clarify it in my head.

If the circuit breaker for the cockpit voice recorder was pulled to preserve the last two hours would that disable the gps for the black box too?

What i mean is, can the black box be disabled by pulling the circuit breaker or is that totally secure?

If the black box cant be disconnected why cant they find the gps tracking for it?

Sorry if that has been covered and i missed it

It was the Blackbird Goldie not the Stealth. It's a fascinating aircraft. Leaked fuel like a sieve when not airborne!