Is England not shitting itself Scotland becomes independent cos then they will have the tories FOREVER

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Its a thought isnt it....

DC must be rubbing his hands, get rid of those bloody labour voters in Scotland and we;ll be in gov forever!!!!

(I've started a breeding operation, good business op.)

Yes, I really am that confident.

I'm English but loved in Scoltand form the ages of 11 -21

I'm not shitting myself about Scottish independence.

I'm just glad the vote is happening, then whichever way it goes, all the moaning (which has been going on for a very, very long time) from the independent voters, will hopefully stop.

By "moaning" I mean blaming the English for all their ills.

Yes, it is very, very wrong.

F.Uk? Yup perfectly fine! :o

Scotland will have to apply to join the EU.
Spain will actively block it because they do not want Basque or Catalan independence.
If Scotland is NOT in the EU then lots of the assumptions go deeply pear shaped.

The way things are going the uk won't be in the eu for much longer.

According to various antis, we'll both be chucked out of the EU (we won't, for reasons I explained earlier) and have to adopt the Euro. Oh, yeah, and Russia's gonna invade, and Westminster will bomb our airports... Meanwhile, there's to be 100000 folk joining hands on Hadrian's Wall (which isn't actually the border) to tell us how much we are loved.

A wee bit of consistency would be nice.

Old lady, I think I love you :o

Thanks, Glaikit, I may spend too much time on alt media... Like, Wings, and Newsnet and Bella, not to forget National Collective... much more informative than MSM.

I follow wings, I don't agree with everything he posts mind, I will check the others out!

I might be evil and email the links to my pro union dad! He thinks I'm a yea just to spite him!

Yes, very worried about this prospect. Especially with Labour deciding to chuck the unions so they will be financially bankrupt for ever.

Glaikit, have you seen the Tommy Sheridan speech? Available on youtube, can't link because I'm on my iPad, but a youtube search of "Tommy Sheridan independence" finds it. I'm in two minds about Tommy, used to think he was brilliant (re poll tax etc), went off him over the swinging scandal, but he's still an amazing orator, and the Kirkcaldy speech is converting people every day.

Dromedary, if you're worried about the op, be reassured that there have been only two General Elections in the past 60-100 years (sorry, late at night, will find the figures tomorrow if you're interested) when Scottish votes have had any influence over the outcome of the WM. Us becoming indy means that we get the gvt we vote for, but so do r/fuk! If you don't want a Tory gvt, don't vote for one.

See I cannot abide tommy Sheridan, but he does have the gift of the gab. I'll take a look, tomorrow!

I'm off to bed!

"outcome of the WM" = Westminster Gvt.

Night, Glaiket, sleep well. Know what you mean about Tommy, he's like Marmite. But I tweeted that I'd love to see him and George Galloway debate indyref (because I really would, two passionate, articulate orators with totally opposed views, how amazing would that be?!). Tommy followed me, George blocked me! So Tommy gets plus points there...

Some of us English would like a vote too. Do we still want Scotland? Quite a few would say No!

Which is fine. In the event we vote no in September, there is nothing stopping English/Welsh/Irish voters demanding a referendum on the subject. But which of your available political parties are offering the same? And have a wee think about why the unionist parties, who insist that Scots are a drain on the rest of the economy, and that we are "subsidy junkies", are so very, very keen to keep us?

Ps, you can have a vote if you move into Scotland before September. There's still time to have your voice heard.

PPS, but your vote, like ours, should be informed, not based on guts or emotion. Do you know what would happen to the economy of rUK if we didn't use the pound?

With the Bank of England having printing around £400 bil via Quantitative Easing (since around 2008), with a so far unquantifiable total effect on the economy known, I’d suggest that a few hundred billion more (or less) if Scotland hands some back, wouldn’t make too much difference – especially if we swap part of it for similar valued Royal Bank of Scotland shares.lol

Actually to reverse QE, the BoE has to sell back the Gilts they bought back into the market, which effectively takes cash out of the financial/banking system. If Scotland pays all the English pounds sterling back to the BoE, they won't have to do so much of that, and keep the Gilts they bought until they mature.

D'oh, gave myself a headache just thinking about that.

I love Scotland - the landscape, the people - and I've always believed in self-determination for small states. I also love Scotland for the fact that they hate the Tories and only have one Tory MP. Why should they be ruled by a government that does not reflect their country's democratic will? They have the chance to be rid of the Tories forever, good luck to them.

It will leave England mahoosively in the shit, but I'm leaving anyway, so I've kinda stopped caring.