Is England not shitting itself Scotland becomes independent cos then they will have the tories FOREVER

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Its a thought isnt it....

DC must be rubbing his hands, get rid of those bloody labour voters in Scotland and we;ll be in gov forever!!!!

Let's do a swap, you hand back the one Tory MP, and you can have all the Labour ones, especially their front bench, who took a perfectly good/growing economy in 1997, and turned it into a basket case by 2010.

I think that would be a fair swap, as why should England keep a political party that has twice handed the Tories an economic basket case in 30 odd years - especially as they get no thanks based on clan type hatred, rather than the facts/events prior to 1979 and 2010?

It is a sad thing, but most people in England - and there are 53+ million of us - could not give a flying fig for what happens, whenever, to the 5 million odd in Scotland.... sorry...

and I say that as an Englishwoman born of Scottish parents, raised in Scotland (family still there) and living in England.. stuff will still go on pretty much as before for me personally - and for most people living in England - whether it gains independence or not...

Absolutely IsItMeBut! You can even keep Gove

If you're taking to me Isitme, I'm English, and have no Scottish forebears whatsoever. But thanks for the assumption that my views must be based of 'clan type hatred' it made me laugh.

I think that would be a fair swap, as why should England keep a political party that has twice handed the Tories an economic basket case in 30 odd years - especially as they get no thanks based on clan type hatred, rather than the facts/events prior to 1979 and 2010?

Not doubt you're aware that a) the Tories presided over a crash in 1987 from which the country did not fully recover until Labour came to power, & b) the financial crisis 2007/8 came out of the financial sector: it was caused by imbalances in the world economy and the banking system plus a fall in world trade, not by the ruling political party of any one country. The crisis would have happened regardless of which party was in power in the UK at the time. The UK, US, Germany and other counties across world, all got bank regulation wrong.

Indeed the UK was as badly affected as it was because the Labour government followed through on Thatcherite economic policies of city deregulation and laissez faire (and remember Osborne was a keen advocate of further banking deregulation in opposition, accusing Labour of being 'too tough'); and because of the size of our financial sector in comparison to manufacturing and other industries, again a result of Tory policy.

Hey fellow Britons you are all meant to be love bombing us & begging us to say!

We won't though as it will be a YES vote in September.

Hey fellow Britons you are all meant to be love bombing us & begging us to say!

YY remember the Olympics! and, er, WWII , that sort of thing.

Hey fellow Britons you are all meant to be love bombing us & begging us to say

hahahaha... that's only so...

1. it will p off the Scots and MAKE them vote YES because Cameron actually wants rid....

or

1. Cameron can claim it was all down to him and his initiative that Scotland stayed part of the union if they vote NO..

win/win.....

So many people want rid of the Tories. They are an endangered species in Scotland anyway. It seems to me that the Yes vote would be condoning a one party state. The Nationalists or who? Labour do not want separation. Who in their right mind votes for a single party in Government forever more? (Yes I can think of a few too, but no-one who is making a fantastic job of Government!).

If we vote yes, we can elect any shade of gvt we want. Labour will need to do some major restructuring to regain credibility, but it can be done. We also have Green (Patrick Harvie is brilliant), Tories, LibDems, the SSP, and Margo. Not a one-party state at all. :)

And if you truly are an OldLady, then like me, you will also remember that you can just make up an entirely new party altogether.
Doesn't have to be just Whigs and Tories.

Nac Mac Feegle Party 'Nae King! Nae Quin! Nae Laird! Nae Master! We Willnae be fooled again!'

I think England, Wales and NI should get to vote on whether we want Scotland in UK.

I watched the speech by Tommy Sheridan mentioned by OldLadyKnowsNothing.

What a speech! Excellent stuff!

George Galloway is rubbish in comparison. I have heard him before on radio. He seems to be one of these "one world", "let the world unite" socialists who is not in favour of any nationalism.

If Scotland does vote for independence, that will be an earthquake following on from the earthquake that UKIP will cause in May's European elections.

Ah, yes, of course new parties! So many possibilities! Thanks for the link, claig, didn't think Tommy would be your "type".

Twinklestein….I have no idea where you got your version of history from, but unfortunately the facts does not support it – in 1997 the UK (as now) was the fastest growing economy in Europe – and our annual deficit from the 1990’s recession was budgeted under the Conservatives by 2002/3.

The Budget Deficit Labour left was around £158 bil a year, mainly due to Labour’s unreformed over spending in the years before the crash. A country should not be borrowing £30-£40 bil a year in the good times, they should be paying off national debt - but obviously their immigration policy meant more benefits/welfare payments when they should have been falling through an employment 'boom'.

Next the full effects of the financial crash was TOTALLY avoidable, as I mention on this ‘politics’ section post below, second post of mine. In a period of U.S. financial deregulation, Brown had visited ex Fed Chairman Greenspan before 1997 and liked what he heard, and when came to power in 1997, he took away direct responsibility of the BoE and formed a regulatory ’tripartite’, why?

This Brown ‘tripartite’ still including the BoE, it also included the Uk Treasury HE controlled and the (then) new FSA with too wide a brief (from garage forecourt guarantees to huge City hedge Funds) – and it is now well known to have been a total disaster, with both Brown and the FSA apologising for looser bank regulation, as bank lending shot up.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/politics/1969660-Labour-banks-splitting-won-t-fix-capacity

If you look at a graph of UK bank balance sheet growth, from 1997 just mortgage lending went up from £21 billion annual lending to £115 billion in late 2007, which was an unprecedented rate of growth.

Finally manufacturing jobs under Labour, how do you lose 1 million manufacturing jobs before the crash, by 2005?
www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/million-factory-jobs-lost-under-labour-6150418.html

It really is up yo the Scotts to choose what us best for them. I wouldn't expect them to do anything else.
I do think it's obvious that the rump UK will lurch to the right without offsetting Scottish votes. So, a newly independent Scottland will be negotiating with a much larger, offended neighbour to the South whose votes depend on conservative voters.

'didn't think Tommy would be your "type".'

There was not a single thing I didn't agree with him about.
The question is which party can deliver it. It's not the Tories and it is certainly not New Labour. All the people can do is hope and wait.

But as Tommy says, the Scottish people have a chance to change things forever and to do it by a simple vote, unlike the more difficult ways in which many other countries have gained independence.

It's actually a fallacy that the Scottish MPs make a difference to who governs in Westminster. Since WW2, only twice did they make a difference and on both those occasions would have resulted in a hung parliament or an unstable majority of 1. On my iPod so difficult to find and post the links - but check it out.

Scotland makes no difference to the complexion of Westminster: it is middle England which decides who governs the UK. And it is middle England who is to blame for both New Labour (who came up first with the idea of the bedroom tax ) and the ConDems.

• The first paragraph should read; -and our annual deficit from the 1990’s recession was budgeted under the Conservatives to be flat by 2002/3.

Clearly any government has far more spending options when inheriting a balanced budget, than borrowing £158 bil a year.

I actually think undercover YES agent Cameron is doing a great job.

The pause for dramatic effect, look down the lens, "we want you to stay" from DC today almost had me convinced!

Then I read twitter waiting for my fellow Brits to convince me more

I'm still a yes!!

Do ya reckon DC is doing a reverse campaigns

I am only glad when reading threads like these that some of the non-Scottish commenters don't get a chance to vote on this issue. Informed debate is what's needed, not the kind of self-interested and proud of it kind of nonsense I'm reading here. Let's leave the voting and the intelligent debate to the Scottish people who actually have the balls to stand up for what they believe in.

Self-interested and proud of it, eh? Oh, I forgot: Our Nationalists Are Better Than Everyone Else's Nationalists (marks bingo card).

Never been to Scotland, prob never will. Why would I got somewhere people hate me....same for France.

I hope they vote yes, I want every last Scottish mp out of the Houses of Parliament.

This isn't about being a nationalist, its about taking the time to understand the issues before wading in with nonsense. I just don't think that people should get involved in a debate if they don't bother to do some homework and arm themselves with facts, it doesn't matter what side they are on.