IPCC report: Why is no one on Mumsnet talking about climate change?

[WillPenn]

Was very surprised to see hardly any talk about climate change on here, following on from the latest IPCC report. Are none of you worried about your kids' future or is everyone just sticking their heads in the sand?

It makes me panic to think what lies ahead for my DC if no one acts. Come on Mumsnet, how about a ground up campaign to try and get the govt. and the nation to tackle this elephant in the room head on?

As a family, we are doing what we can to cut back on energy usage - but we are just four people and I'm feeling pretty hopeless about the whole situation at the moment when nobody else seems to care about the future.

[flatpackhamster]

KittiesInsane

Fair question. Not my field, but at a hazard:
Flooding; drought; storm damage; pest and disease profile changes; acidification; erosion; changes in water table; movement of displaced people.

As I understand it, the predicted outcomes are regional, with some developing countries hit badly and many developed nations being much more able to compensate.

Isn't it odd that nobody ever mentions the possible benefits of a warmer climate? It's all bad. Always.

There was a period in Earth's recent history called the Younger Dryas. Around 11,000BC the very first settled human communities were appearing in the Fertile Crescent. Agriculture, animal domestication, permanent housing all made an appearance. The Younger Dryas was a sudden cold spell lasting about a thousand years (which has recently been attributed to a meteorite exploding over the continental US). All of a sudden all these human settlements collapse and are uninhabited and we see nothing at all until around 9,000BC. Whether or not the people there died out or reverted to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, we don't know yet.

The point here is that the cooler climate (which means more arctic ice) makes everything drier. The air is drier, there's less rainfall. The Younger Dryas led to rapid desertification across the Fertile Crescent which wasn't reversed for 1,500 years.

A wetter climate may be unstable (big emphasis on the 'may' because there's absolutely NO evidence that our current climate is 'stable'), but it's also going to give us more rainfall and that is good for water-parched areas. It's good for agriculture. We could see a greening of the Sahara and the Middle-Eastern deserts. Combined with clever planting regimes to re-establish grasses and tree and we would see large areas which before were entirely useless come in to cultivation. More food, less hunger, better standards of living for people.

[HesterShaw]

One major message to help the planet was to have less children

Every time I suggest that I get shot down in flames because it is someone's right to have six children if they want to.

[claig]

Many people believe that global warming is a scam - a trick by a plutocratic elite to control world population and stem human development and growth. Taxes are a small part of what they have planned for humanity. It is much bigger than that.

Warming is caused by sunspot activity. The earth's climate has been warmer and colder over the past millenia. That was not brought about by carbon dioxide, it was due to the sun's activity.

Interesting David Icke presentation on it for those who don't believe everything we are told by the great and the good and some of their 'cabs for hire'.

[claig]

'One major message to help the planet was to have less children'

That is what the plutocratic elite want. That is what is behind it. The Club of Rome document said "The real enemy then is humanity itself"

Don't fall for it, however much they shape media coverage and promote their 'cabs for hire'

[KittiesInsane]

Yes, but Hamster, you asked what could cause problems for plants, having already given the potential benefits; so I replied with the negatives.

Still, I take it yours was a rhetorical question.

[Spinstrel]

Everyone I know believes in anthropogenic climate warming, and is horrified by it. I don't think we're abnormal, and if we are, that's really worrying. My concern is how to raise a child in this context without terrifying them. Any conversation we have about it feels utterly apocalyptic - it is, and quite rightly, genuinely scary to children, as the prospect of nuclear war was to my generation (and with more reason, actually). And I don't think eating less meat, or turning off the lights more, is going to make much difference, though of course we do.

[flatpackhamster]

KittiesInsane

Yes, but Hamster, you asked what could cause problems for plants, having already given the potential benefits; so I replied with the negatives.

Still, I take it yours was a rhetorical question.

Largely. As you can see from my second post, I'm skeptical that a cooler climate would bring us any benefits at all.

[HesterShaw]

That is what the plutocratic elite want. That is what is behind it. The Club of Rome document said "The real enemy then is humanity itself"


Oh let's all ditch birth control then. Ten billion people can't hurt.

[KittiesInsane]

David Icke? That well-known pillar of common sense and scientific information?

Okaaaay.

[claig]

We have a falling birthrate in many Western countries.
Let's not allow privileged elites to trick us in to following their plans for us which they do not make explicit. They aren't messing around, they have agendas in place and they have 'cabs for hire' everywhere.

If you begin to understand what the real agenda is and how it is detrimental to humanity, then you will realise that you have been conned by an elite who don't believe what they say but trick us anyway.

[peggyundercrackers]

why are the oceans going to keep rising? where will all the water come from? the IPCC has already said the Arctic ice cap has grown by an additional 533000 sq miles. since only last year. everyone knows a pint of ice doesnt equal a pint of water so even if all the ice melts it still wont be the same volume as it would be if it was water.

@nicetabard - you keep speaking about london... what about the rest of the country? just because something happens in london does not mean it happens in the rest of the country - in fact you could say london is not typical of any other city in this country and is very unique in its situation. maybe we should look at the bigger picture rather than concentrate on what happens in one unique city.

[claig]

We were told that the Y2K bug would cause havoc, but of course it didn't, and billions of tax payer money that could have been spent on healthcare instead ended up in the hands of huge corporations. they told us there would be a swine flu 'pandemic' and they advised some people to use tamiflu. Some people reportedly made lots of money as stocks of tamiflu were bought up with taxpayer funds.

Some climate change figures were fiddled by some university teams. Climate change involves taxation and restrainst on growth but the real objective is far more sinister than that.

But many people know about the scam and call the 'cabs for hire' out on it. Their plans for humanity will fail because people know the truth.

[HesterShaw]

The thing is claig, you always harp on about trickery and elites and conspiracies without saying what exactly it is you really mean.


See, this thread has gone the way of all the others.

[claig]

It's about population. That is behind nearly all of their tricks. They want a reduction in the population and you have fallen for it.

What happens if they don't get a reduction in the population? What do you think they will do and how do you think they will do it?

[KittiesInsane]

Oh for goodness sake.

Some climate data were processed. That's normal, and is not the same thing as 'fiddled'. Most scientific data of any kind is pretty much lost in the noise and needs processing before you can see a bloody thing.

[KittiesInsane]

Who is 'they'?

It's not just Claig. Someone else upthread said that 'they' should stop scaremongering about bird flu and climate change. Last time I looked, 'they' were not the same people working on both.

[claig]

"Who is 'they'?"

The plutocratic elite, the supragovernmental elite who are working to remove national sovereignty in order to foster supranational global governance which will allow them to implement their solutions for humanity without any of us being able to vote on what they want to do.

Bird flu, swine flu and whatever new flus they come up with in the future are 'pandemics' which will affect the population of the planet.

[claig]

National governments took advice on swine flu from the supranational WHO.

Agenda 21 is a United Nations supranational initiative.

[peggyundercrackers]

claig - david icke? seriously... i hope you are sitting with your tinfoil helmet on or they will be stealing thoughts from your mind.

[claig]

Peggy, David Icke used to be a senior member of the Green Party. He is not right on everything, but he is right on some things. Watch his presentation before you dismiss him and instead believe the 'cabs for hire'.

[Talkinpeace]

I tend not to discuss scientific issues on MN because there are too many idiotic Daily Fail readers who make my blood boil.

[KittiesInsane]

'He is not right on everything' presumably including the descent of the royal family from a master-race of lizards?

[CogitoErgoSometimes]

So Claig, if you're not buying all of this global warming conspiracy, how does someone like you respond? Do you, for example, use your car, utilities and hosepipes more rather than less? Do you refuse to sort your rubbish? Fly when you could drive or drive when you could walk? What's the practical nay-sayer's lifestyle?

[claig]

Yes, he is wrong about the royal family.

[claig]

I use my car when I need to travel and I use as much water as I need. I don't waste it by letting the taps run. But the resources that I use in my home are dwarfed by the resources and gas guzzling and plane flights that people like Al Gore use.