Get the feeling Charles pushing Camilla as Queen?

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Fine, the Queen is elderly and needs to cut back.
Fine, Charles is stepping up.
Fine, Charles is with Camilla.
However, I feel he is pushing Camilla on to us as queen and frankly with the history of the whole thing....it's just not on. Diana was far from perfect (who is) but C&C manipulation of her, from the train carriage just before the wedding to the phonecalls from Britannia during the honeymoon - no. They used her for breeding and I just think to let Camilla become Charles Queen would make a lot of people who are quite royalist lose faith. I really think that's why the poor queen has hung on so long. She is wise. Thank goodness for William and Kate.

Camilla could be some sort of consort but nothing more. Frankly I do not trust Charles at all on this.

How about a special reality TV event - Britain's got the Monarchy factor - Get Me Out of Here (on ice)?

Yes I've thought this for years. Never mind a general election, have "Cabinet Idol" and decide the Government like that.

Could work well for the monarchy too.

With regards to Charles I think he is the best of his brothers.

"With regards to Charles I think he is the best of his brothers."

The gene pool isn't that wide though, is it?

BalloonSlayer's comments are highly relevant because until recently, as I understand it, the CofE view and the RC view were essentially the same.

Oh God. I hope they don't pass over Charles. I am not really a royalist (I was until Wills married C but now I cant understand what makes them royal when they can marry a 'commoner' and dilute the blood - genuine confusion - I still cant understand why people wait to see a 'commoner' - how is she more important than the people waiting for her? As I say - genuine confusion).

However, I do like Camilla and would be happy with her as she is a side kick to a 'true royal'. For me it would go Charles and Camilla and then King Harry - now that would be ok.

But really it would be better to let the whole thing go now imo.

" I cant understand what makes them royal when they can marry a 'commoner' and dilute the blood "

. Well he could have married his cousin, Zara, at a push and further concentrated the limited gene pool.

Why would they pass over him? and if people love William/Kate so much why would you want them taking on the pressure (if there is any) of being King when they have a young family, surely it would be better to let them have some family life before they take on such a role.

I not really in favour of a Monachy but I quite like Camilla, a few gins and cigarettes with her sounds fun. I quite like Charles as well as he seems a bit barking, we need that being British and all.

MardyBra - What about the hundreds of aristocrats around though? It wouldnt have to be cousins or anything. Whilst I accept that these will have commoner blood in somewhere along the line - at least there is still a sense of 'specialness or privelege).

As a commoner through and through myself - I cant imagine queueing up to see another commoner who is not really any different. Bit like queuing up to see a nice mixed breed dog when for years the show has been about a very expensive pedigree!

Am I allowed to say that or is it treason (back pedals furiously - not comparing the royals in any way to dogs at all). Just finding it hard to explain what I mean.

I rather like Charles. He talks to plants. It's very sweet.

And I do obviously accept that C is very pretty and dresses nicely - perhaps that is why people like to see her.

Im going to stop digging....

I like Charles and Camilla, the beautification of Diana really irritates me, she was as responsible for the marriage breakdown as Charles. Has everyone forgotten Hewitt and then squidgygate?

I can't help liking Charles too. I like the fact that he cares about the environment and talks to plants. And I like the fact that he loved one woman all his adult life (if he did) and got her in the end.

I also like what we are shown of Harry.

But really - we don't know them and only know what they want us to.

I'm no royalist, but I love the sound of Queen Camilla.

I don't understand why everyone thinks William and Kate are go great.

We barely know anything about them to know if they are great or not.

I'm not saying we should know more but I don't see what is so wonderful about them compared to say Charles and Camilla.

Also, it semms that he wants to scale the Royal Family back which is a good thing isnt it?

Camilla has had some awful things said about her appearance but I think she looks really good, she did look lovely in her wedding dress.

(oh god this thread is making me very shallow )

I'm not sure he's pushing her so much as the Daily Mail like to print articles about her that make you think that's what's happening.

Then DM readers click the link and respond in their frothy fury about the travesty wrought upon Diana.

I do not approve of the life Camilla has led. I hope she will never be Queen. With all the frowning on adultery and affairs that goes on here how can she be acceptable. Somebody who had an affair with a man with young children.

*"MardyBra - What about the hundreds of aristocrats around though? It wouldnt have to be cousins or anything. Whilst I accept that these will have commoner blood in somewhere along the line - at least there is still a sense of 'specialness or privelege).

As a commoner through and through myself - I cant imagine queueing up to see another commoner who is not really any different. Bit like queuing up to see a nice mixed breed dog when for years the show has been about a very expensive pedigree!"*

Well, where to begin really?

I wouldn't queue up to see anyone because of the specialness of their blood. I might be a "commoner" too, but I don't see that the Royals are inherently any better than me. I would concede that the Royals have a certain celebrity value, and Kate has acquired celebrity status by marrying into them. She's a bit like one of the Kashardians but with more dignity imo.

And to be quite frank, I think it's a good thing to get some fresh blood into the royal line. They're nice enough people, I'm sure, but there are a few of them who could conceivably fall into the "rich but dim" category and, as I mentioned earlier, they need to widen the gene pool along the way. Otherwise, they'll all end up with webbed feet or something.

Also, there have been plenty of commoner queens in the past iirc. It's not that unusual.

And the man in question had nothing to do with it?

Of course not, Hester. Don't you realise that Men Have Needs?

I was until Wills married C but now I cant understand what makes them royal when they can marry a 'commoner' and dilute the blood - genuine confusion - I still cant understand why people wait to see a 'commoner' - how is she more important than the people waiting for her? As I say - genuine confusion

I hate to break it to you, but they are just the same as us. The only differnece isnthe twiddle bit tacked onto the name, the cahs and the massive entitlement 'tude in certain cases.

I was married to a minor royal in my wild and "leap before you look" youth (not the British RF) and went to events where I was seriously outnumbered by the Be-Titled. As common as I was (and am) I wasn't any different from them under the skin.

Although, perhaps slightly less dysfunctional than quite a number of them.

Having hot and cold running servants, with everybody bowing at you, appears to do something very strange to people. IME.

Does that mean you didn't approve of Diana either then viviennemary?

Carpe - but if they are no different to us then what makes them royal. And why have them? And why do people line the streets to see them. Surely there has to be the pretence of being different and the only 'difference' is being 'blue blood' as I think it used to be called.

A pedigree dog is the same as a mongrel in its physical aspect - what is special is that it is rare. The royals have to be 'rare' then and imo that means keeping it aristocratic as much as possible.

But I am no royalist and would get rid of the lot. You cant remove a class system while you have royals at the top. And I dont like the class system.

Mardy - ' I would concede that the Royals have a certain celebrity value, and Kate has acquired celebrity status by marrying into them. She's a bit like one of the Kashardians but with more dignity imo. '

Oh God. Is that all they are now then - celebrities. Is that what we want to lead the country and spend some of our money (however small).

Surely that diminishes their status even further.