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Get the feeling Charles pushing Camilla as Queen?

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bkgirl · 08/05/2013 15:10

Fine, the Queen is elderly and needs to cut back.
Fine, Charles is stepping up.
Fine, Charles is with Camilla.
However, I feel he is pushing Camilla on to us as queen and frankly with the history of the whole thing....it's just not on. Diana was far from perfect (who is) but C&C manipulation of her, from the train carriage just before the wedding to the phonecalls from Britannia during the honeymoon - no. They used her for breeding and I just think to let Camilla become Charles Queen would make a lot of people who are quite royalist lose faith. I really think that's why the poor queen has hung on so long. She is wise. Thank goodness for William and Kate.

Camilla could be some sort of consort but nothing more. Frankly I do not trust Charles at all on this.

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EldritchCleavage · 09/05/2013 12:37

I just don't care.

And what happened before, during and after their respective marriages is not something we can ever truly know. I'm amazed Diana's secular saint reputation has lasted so long, too. Does she evade all criticism for the Oliver Hoare stalkery (she was foul to his poor wife), the strongly rumoured King Juan Carlos affair etc and on and on because Charles was awful to her (which I agree he was)?

If Camilla is not Queen, she will be Princess Consort. Either way, her role will be the same.

I also think that if you like William and Kate, the best way to show it is to let the whole 'three of us in the marriage' thing die a death now. It's all done and dusted.

HesterShaw · 09/05/2013 12:38

I like Camilla - she seems like a jolly good sort. If only Charles had married her first and not obeyed his father's frankly creepy order that he marry a virgin.

She was the only one to handle herself with any dignity at all during the divorce/TV interviews and the rest of the grubbiness in the mid 90s.

I think the British public conveniently ignore the fact that pretty much every king since 1066 has had a mistress. Apart from the gay ones - they had the male equivalent.

TeaMakesItAllPossible · 09/05/2013 12:39

I like Camilla. I would be happy for her to be Queen. In fact, now I think about it, I think I'd rather than Camilla as the Queen then Charles as the King Shock

Am I a royalist? Don't think so but I don't want to abolish the monarchy. Happy to have it for flag waving, bunting wafting, tourist attracting, constitutional reasons.

So I won't lose faith OP.

And the reason that the Queen has hung on is because she believes it is her duty to do so and her genetics are such that she's going to make it to a ripe old age. Not because of the thought of Queen Camilla.

HesterShaw · 09/05/2013 12:41

Like 87 isn't a ripe old age Grin

TeaMakesItAllPossible · 09/05/2013 12:43

a riper older age Grin

meglet · 09/05/2013 12:47

Charles, Camilla and Diana were all put in a dreadful position by 'The Palace'. I'm sure Camilla will do a fine job whever she is Queen, or Queen Consort, whatever.

EldritchCleavage · 09/05/2013 12:47

I agree-Queen Camilla is a better deal for all of us than King Charles III.

I secretly hope some disaster occurs and we get Harry Hotspur (fnarr) King Henry. That would be a lark.

KittenofDoom · 09/05/2013 12:48

I like Camilla too. I've no doubt that if Charles hadn't been PoW they would have married each other years ago. Times have changed and thankfully William has been allowed to follow his heart.

Poledra · 09/05/2013 12:49

Well, hactually, she will only be queen if she is crowned (has a coronation). The Queen Mother was crowned Queen Consort alongside her husband. It is quite possible that a king can be crowned without his wife. It was sometimes done deliberately - queens were crowned once upduffed, or once they'd already produced an heir. Sometimes a queen was never crowned as she was a second wife, her husband was already knig and no-one wanted to pay for a coronation.

In the case of Caroline of Brunswick, she was separated from George IV, and was banned from his coronation and therefore was never crowned.

AMumInScotland · 09/05/2013 12:49

Pootles Kings always outrank Queens, just like in a pack of cards.

So when a King marries, his wife gets the title Queen. She keeps the title after he dies, but she doesn't get to reign in her own right because she is "only" Queen because of marrying the King.

But when a Queen is Queen in her own right, like the current one, because her father only had daughters, her husband doesn't get to be called King because then he would outrank her. So he gets a polite title like "Prince Consort" or "Duke of Edinburgh". And, he also doesn't get to reign when she dies.

The Queen Mother was Queen while her husband was King, then Queen Mother afterward. Previously we still had "Queen Alexandria" after her husband died, and once her son was King. But they couldn't call the Queen Mother "Queen Elizabeth" because of the name being the same, so someone came up with "Queen Mother" as suitable.

Poledra · 09/05/2013 12:50

And I don't really care about Camilla - I'm far more interested in the Plantagenets than the Windsors Grin

KittenofDoom · 09/05/2013 12:52

It doesn't matter a fig whether they're crowned or not. Edward VIII was never crowned, but he was still the King until he signed the abdication document.

Poledra · 09/05/2013 12:58

Kitten, I knew that was the case for the monarch, but is it true for the consort? Am desperately trying to think where I read it now!

EldritchCleavage · 09/05/2013 13:02

Come friendly bombs, and fall on Sandringham...

DontmindifIdo · 09/05/2013 13:08

She'll be Queen Consort. That was always clear when they got married.

It's not that she's being pushed more, but more that Charles is being pushed to take on more and more (bit by bit, the Queen is stepping away from day to day duties), and as such, rather than being at his side while Charles wanders round a factory somewhere that doesn't really get reported, she's at his side while he does a bit more high profile stuff, so you are seeing more of her.

I lost a lot of sympathy for Diana in all this when I found out that Charles was dating her older sister when she met him and then waged a campaign to 'steal him' off her own sister... (this bit gets lost in the "charles diana, camila' triangle, that at the point Charles first started dating Diana, he wasn't with Camila)

KittenofDoom · 09/05/2013 13:24

Poledra The wife of the King is the Queen, full stop. You mentioned Caroline of Brunswick. She was still Queen Consort despite being excluded from the coronation. She was the wife of the King therefore she was Queen, even though he apparently detested her.

HesterShaw · 09/05/2013 13:42

Didn't she hammer on the doors of Westminster Abbey or something?

I love that quote from Blackadder. "She's famous for having the worst personality in Germany, and as you can imagine, she's up against some pretty stiff competition."

Disclaimer: I like Germany and have many German friends Grin

SconeRhymesWithGone · 09/05/2013 14:37

There have been several uncrowned queens consort who all had the title of queen. Several of Henry VIII's wives were uncrowned (well, a coronation does take some time to plan, and he was often well on his way to the next wife). Henrietta Maria of France (wife of Charles I) and Catherine of Braganza (wife of Charles II) were not crowned because they were Catholic and the ceremony was not. They were still queens consort.

In more modern times, the Queen Mother had the title queen from the day of her husband's succession, which was several months before her coronation.

PipkinsPal · 09/05/2013 14:44

I like Camilla - there I've said it. I think she and Prince Charles are good together and she looked lovely dressed in cream for the Queen's Speech the other day. I've always wondered whether we would have had Diana fanatics if she had been ordinary looking.

LifeIsBetterInFlipFlops · 09/05/2013 14:47

She's supporting her husband, you can tell she's not doing it for the fame and glory.
She's got a great sense of humour and is dutiful - I like her.

seeker · 09/05/2013 14:49

You don't "like" Camilla. How can you- you know nothing about her!

CarpeVinum · 09/05/2013 14:51

I'd much rather have Camilla as Queen than him as King.

Can't we have a tele-vote...or something ?

HesterShaw · 09/05/2013 14:52

I think considering she's smoked like a chimney all her life she looks great. She looked beautiful on her wedding day.

I agree with Pipkins - if Diana had not looked the way she looked, there's no way she would have been as deified as she has been.

HesterShaw · 09/05/2013 14:53

(apart from wearing a palm tree on her head)

CarpeVinum · 09/05/2013 15:14

and this is a part of why I'd much rather he were not king...

www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oct/16/attorney-general-blocks-prince-charles-letters

I've seen nothing to suggest that Camilla is interested in much other than her grandchildren and horses. Which is a deffo plus when it comes to a royal. IMO. You want them healthily foucsed on thier own lives rather than trying to sneakily run ours, despite never having been elected by anybody, ever.