Oscar pistorius

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Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

I agree Maryz it seems a large amount of what we have heard in the papers was not called upon in court to back up why he is facing a section 6 pre med murder charge as opposed to section 5.

I am surprised that if the cricket bat was used to harm Reeva as the media suggested, that this was not brought up as to being indicative of pre meditation and abuse.

It had also crossed my mind that "domestic incidents" may be parties as there was never any confirmation as to what these call outs involved.

Or did I hear that the police were called earlier that evening?

Would he get a prison sentence for that apple? Or anyone that knows?

It says in one article I read that he had been broken into before.

Having grown up in SA (in Joburg actually) and then moved to the UK, I think it is very difficult, if not impossible for people in the UK to understand what it's like to live in a city with a crime problem like Joburg. When I was a kid, there were police helicopters circling the neighbourhood with search lights every evening, as there had been so many car jackings at peoples' houses when they came home from work (and this was a naice suburb, not a dodgy neighbourhood).
I know many people who have been broken into (even in closed neighbourhoods) and been held hostage for hours as armed burglars rampage through the house. In my family alone, my grandmother was robbed 4 times, one time she came home to a man brandishing a knife at her. My aunt and uncle's house has been broken into numerous times, my cousin held up at gunpoint at work on two occassions (and the robbers came back a few weeks later, just to walk around) and her best friend was brutally raped and murdered. Sadly, stories like these are not exceptional. People have lived for 20+ years in that city with the ongoing fear of random violence. British people can't even begin to comprehend that - all houses have burglar guards, high walls, armed response units. Restaurants aren't open after past 10 (there was one time when armed hold ups in restaurants was very common) adn you don't walk around on your own at night. At one stage the police had to walk around in gangs of at least 4, as they kept on being robbed and having their guns stolen.

I'd like to know why he carried her downstairs though.
Or how?

He didn't have his legs on did he?

I feel dirty speculating but I just can't help it. It's just so bizarre.

Wiley the prosecution are saying its premeditated murder whether he believed it was Reeva or an intruder. So I'm sure he would get a lengthy sentence but don't know if it would be any less? I don't know about SA sentencing.

^ vivi he says he put them on and carried her to get help/ was going to take her to hospital

nothing has been stated in court that her skull was crushed with a cricket bat. I think only what is stated in court is relevant here - most of what is being published in the press is utter bollocks.

I don't know, MaryZ - but I thought the way in which the police officer revealed that they'd been called out before was significant. I can't see them saying that if it had been over a loud party.

Also, they said that the neighbours had "heard things" earlier in the evening. The implication was very strong from that first press conference - there have been other incidents of a concerning nature and the neighbours heard screaming earlier in the evening.

I'll be really shocked if all of that turns out to be hype from the police force - but it's not impossible.

nothing has been stated in court that her skull was crushed with a cricket bat

True. Have just been reading the Guardian account & I think that would have been brought up by the prosecution.

Thank god I live in the uk where its not trial by media. Wether or not this man did it should be decided by a judge not the papers trying to sell papers.

"Be careful re these types of reports. They could be getting paid serious bucks to spin stories that he was not abusive." Or they could be getting paid serious bucks to spin stories that he was.

But sorry - if you're sufficiently concerned by noises in your home that you go to get your gun, wouldn't you at least say something to your girlfriend who you think is in the bed you've just retrieved the gun from?

I don't buy it. At all.

If my ex was abusive towards me then killed someone no amount of money would convince me to say otherwise.

He sounds so arrogant and entitled

In an affidavit, Oscar Pistorius made the following statement which was read out in the Pretoria Magistrate's Court on Tuesday by his lawyer.

(This transcript is unverified and will be updated with the official version as soon as the court makes it available)

I am an adult male, SA citizen and applicant in this application and seek to be released on bail.

I make this affadavit of my own free will and have not been influenced. Contents is true and correct.

I fail to understand how I could be charged with murder, let alone premeditated murder because I had no intention to kill my girlfriend.

I have been informed I have been acused of murder ? I deny the accusation.

Nothing can be further from the truth that I planned the murder of my girlfriend.

I have no intention to relocate as I love my country.

I earn R5.6m a year. I?ve never been convicted of crimes.

I deny that I committed murder in the strongest point. Even though I don?t have to, I want to deal with these allegations.

Reeva had bought me a present for Valentine?s Day. We were deeply in love.

We were deeply in love and couldn?t be happier. I loved her and I know she felt the same way.

On 13 Feb Reeva would have gone out with her friends, me with mine. She wanted to stay at home.

By about 22h00 we were in my bedroom. I was watching TV. My legs were off. She was doing yoga. At the end of the evening we got into bed.

I?m accutely aware of people gaining entries to homes to commit crime, I?ve received death threats.

I sleep with my 9mm under my bed. I woke up to close the sliding door and heard a noise in the bathroom.

I was scared and didn?t switch on the light. I got my gun and moved towards the bathroom. I screamed at the intruder because I did not have my legs on I felt vulnerable. I fired shots through the bathroom door and told Reeva to call police.

I walked back to the bed and realised Reeva was not in bed. Its then it dawned on me it could be her in there.

I rushed back into the bedroom and opened the sliding door onto the balcony and screamed for help.

I put on my prosthetic legs, ran back to the bathroom and tried to kick open the toilet door.

I think I must have then turned on the lights.

I went back into my bedroom and grabbed my cricket bat to bash open the toilet door.

I called paramedics and complex security. I tried to carry her down stairs for help.

I tried to help her but she died in my arms. I am mortified.

With the benefit of hindsight I realise that Reeva went to the bathroom when I went to close the balcony door.

I trust the South African legal system and the facts will show that I did not murder Reeva.

I believe the forensic evidence will prove what I am saying. I used a cricket bat to break open toilet door.

I am an international sports star, I will not evade my trial.

After the shooting I did not flee the scene. I remained until the police arrived.

I dont know of any witnesses in this matter, and I won?t interfere with any witnesses.

My continued incarceration will be of ?no benefit? to the state. Release would not disturb the public order.

www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Ne...davit-20130219

how? How do you read that as arrogant and entitled?

Hesitate to post this, but here is the DM link to his affidavit. That one look like it's been carefully edited to be honest. And it's going to sound odd whoever writes it, it's essentially a legal document.

The bit about being an international star is relevant, not arrogance. It shows that he couldn't do a runner and evade a trial because he's one of the most famous sports stars in the world which would make it virtually impossible.

I would imagine that most of that affidavit was put together by his lawyers.

The whole thing of her getting up and going to the loo doesn't sit right.

Maybe her parents and close friends could verify this, but it sounds weird to get up in the middle of the night for a wee, and to lock the toilet door, the toilet actually already being inside a bathroom.

The below makes me side eye him:

I fail to understand how I could be charged with murder, let alone premeditated murder because I had no intention to kill my girlfriend. - like he really expected to be let off straight away - no trial?

I earn R5.6m a year. I?ve never been convicted of crimes. - So?

I deny that I committed murder in the strongest point. Even though I don?t have to, I want to deal with these allegations. - 'even though I don't have to'

I am an international sports star, I will not evade my trial.

He really could have apologised or is that not part of a affidavit?

He's 'mortified'? Mortified is what you are when you've walked through a restaurant with your skirt tucked into your knickers, not when you've killed someone