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Oscar pistorius

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spiderbabymum · 14/02/2013 07:11

Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

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vivizone · 19/02/2013 18:01

Just seen above posts. In that case, I stand corrected.

wannaBe · 19/02/2013 18:01

exactly apple. In fact if my ex was abusive and had then gone on to kill someone I would think this was a time when I could at last be heard and that he would then hopefully be brought to justice.

I do think that it's impossible to comprehend just what it's like to live in a culture like that. In fact I think it's sometimes impossible to be totally aware of it until you don't have to live like it.

When I lived in South Africa having bars on the windows was just something you did. Having a gun was just something you did. My dad applied for a job in Joburg and I remember being excited at the prospect of potentially being able to get a big dog, because if you lived in Joburg that was just something you did.

When we lived in Zambia (I was a baby so this recollection is second hand) we were told that you don't put keys on the bedside cabinet at night because thieves will reach in through a window with a pole (covered in razer blades) in order to get them.

When I was at boarding school in SA a man broke in one night. He broke in through a downstairs window, bent the bars to get in, went into the kitchen and emptied the pantry of food. He then took it and hid it and then returned, went upstairs and went into every room until he came to one where a girl (my classmate) was sleeping on her own. He sat on the bed and when she sat up he told her to "shhh" she didn't - she screamed and he legged it. The police came, took statements, went looking, arrested someone, left. She went back to her room and there on her table was a six inch knife - he had clearly come armed but wasn't prepared for resistance.

You didn't walk around alone at night - and that was twenty years ago.

The best guard dogs are the crickets. The crickets chirp until something walks past them, and then they stop. So if they stop in the middle of the night the instinct is to wake up and wonder who is out there.

I could go on but I think you get the picture. The thing is that if this is how you grow up then this is the norm. You know what to do if you're broken into; you know how to react; this isn't a thing you hope won't happen - it's something you know likely will.

Except that you don't realise how it really is until you go and live in a country where you can walk the streets at night or leave your windows open (without bars) and where public transport is safe...

Maryz · 19/02/2013 18:02

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hellsbells76 · 19/02/2013 18:07

'Even though I don't have to' sounds like something a sulky teenager might say. He comes across as an utterly arrogant cunt. Not even a 'sorry' to her family - it's all about how her death has affected him. That statement is riddled with as many holes as his bathroom door and it stinks.

Absy · 19/02/2013 18:11

Exactly wannabe.

It's very easy to be sat in the UK, with a relatively non existent crime rate, and go "i don't understand how he could be mistaken".

Off the top of my head, I can list at least 20 friends/family members who have been the victims of violent crime in SA. I doubt any person I know who has just lived in the UK could do the same

wannaBe · 19/02/2013 18:13

the fact he earns R5m a year is relevant wrt his ability to cover bail. The fact he has never previously committed a crime is relevant to his perceived safety in being allowed out. His being an internatinal star is relevant to the fact he is internationally recogniseable and therefore unlikely to be able to flea the country.

As a rule affidavits are drafted by the legal team and then signed by the party concerned...

And yes, I agree it sounds feasible.

DizzyHoneyBee · 19/02/2013 18:13

Are those statements supposed to be in chronological order? Because:

"I was scared and didn?t switch on the light. I got my gun and moved towards the bathroom. I screamed at the intruder because I did not have my legs on I felt vulnerable. I fired shots through the bathroom door and told Reeva to call police.

I walked back to the bed and realised Reeva was not in bed. Its then it dawned on me it could be her in there.

I rushed back into the bedroom and opened the sliding door onto the balcony and screamed for help.

I put on my prosthetic legs, ran back to the bathroom and tried to kick open the toilet door."

Odd.

EllieArroway · 19/02/2013 18:14

To be honest, reading the whole affidavit, his defence does make more sense.

wannaBe · 19/02/2013 18:16

also, the use of language is potentially relevant to whether his lawyer (or the person who drafted the statement) has English as their first language. Yes in the UK such a document would be checked and double checked for gramatical inconsistencies. This is Africa we're talking about, things are not done that way in Africa.

onlymeee · 19/02/2013 18:18

It's not made very clear, but that "plan" in the DM is only drawn from the artist's imagination.

MerryMarigold · 19/02/2013 18:20

wannaBe. I don't think Pistorius' lawyers would be taking any chances even with grammar. Believe me that document would have been checked many times, and it is highly likely that English is their first language. 'Africa' sounds so dramatic! This is high society Pretoria not a village in Malawi.

MerryMarigold · 19/02/2013 18:21

onlymee, the point is though the toilet door which is inside the bathroom, was locked. Which is an odd thing to do for a middle of the night wee...but feasible I guess.

vivizone · 19/02/2013 18:21

In his statement, he says: 16.11 I noticed that the bathroom window was open. I realised that the intruder/s was/were in the toilet because the toilet door was closed and I did not see anyone in the bathroom. I heard movement inside the toilet. The toilet is inside the bathroom and has a separate door.

SO the bathroom window was open? If so, who opened it? If one of them opened it before bed he must have known, and I don't know if she'd open it for a quick trip to the toilet, especially if the toilet cubicle had its own window. Then it raises the question again; if Pistorius is so paranoid about break-ins and criminals, why would he leave or agree to leave a bathroom window open in the middle of the night?

The police/paramedics would have seen whether the window was open or not. Unless Oscar said that he closed it before they arrived. If it was open when they arrived, it suggests that if he did commit the crime, he had enough sense to set up a trail to make it look like an accidental burglar shooting afterwards: i.e. calling people, opening the window, etc. It is quite chilling if this is true.

Despite this, I believe he will walk.

Nancy66 · 19/02/2013 18:21

I can understand how he thought it might have been an intruder if his girlfriend had let herself into the house unbeknown to him.

But why he assumed it was an intruder when he knew there was somebody else in the house makes no sense.

wannaBe · 19/02/2013 18:32

but locking a door could be a force of habbit thing? if, for instance, she had grown up in a house full of brothers who habitually just walked into the bathroom it could be a habit she had developed when younger and which she just did naturally? We just don't know - just because you or I wouldn't lock the bathroom door doesn't mean others wouldn't.

MerryMarigold · 19/02/2013 18:36

wannaBe. I know. That is why her family/ close friends would need to verify.

MerryMarigold · 19/02/2013 18:36

If not usual behaviour then it is odd. Very odd.

RedPencils · 19/02/2013 18:44

DH always locks the bathroom door when he goes to the toilet. even if its just me and him in the house. I rarely do, much to his and the DCs horror.
Not odd at all, just a habit.
The story sounds plausible, it's dark, he's terrified, adrenaline is pumping. I just can't see how he wouldn't have woken her before going to investigate. Or woken her and run off. Wouldn't your instinct be to get away?
But I also can't comprehend the levels of violent crime in SA. It's interesting and also horrifying to read some posters experience.

BigAudioDynamite · 19/02/2013 18:47

wannabe Ive been involved in a number of court cases in Africa (not south Africa)....and what you said, was my thoughts as I was reading that statement.

Ive had to write my own statement previously....is that how it is done in SA? in which case what is written, is an indication of his thought process and logic. On other occasions I have been asked questions and the statement has been written for me. So whilst still true....it is slightly skewed, in that you provoked to say something, which reads as kind of out of context/inappropriate...

e.g. 'I am an international Sports Star'...sounds like the big I AM, but might have been in response to 'please state your occupation' or some such

onlymeee · 19/02/2013 18:50

MerryMarigold I said nothing about the door being locked or unlocked. My point was exactly what I said - that the plan of the bathroom should not be taken as 100% accurate as it appears to be an artist's impression.

BMW6 · 19/02/2013 18:59

"He kept a gun under the bed. So, he goes to the balcony, hears a noise, thinks there's a intruder in the bathroom and shoots through the door.

This might be vaguely believable if it weren't for the fact that he'd have to go to the bed to retrieve the gun before he could shoot it - and would see that Reeva wasn't there."

Ditto what this MNer posted

hellsbells76 · 19/02/2013 19:00

'I am an athlete' would have been a much less wanky response to that question though...

BigAudioDynamite · 19/02/2013 19:05

yes it would hells

anonacfr · 19/02/2013 19:06

It just seems bizarre that his first instinct on hearing a noise in the bathroom would have been intruder rather than the other person in the house going to the loo.
Surely before grabbing his gun he would have checked to see where she was? The toilet is not exactly the place a burglar would chose to hide.

Very odd story.

NicholasTeakozy · 19/02/2013 19:07

Not once in that statement does he say how sorry he is, just that he's mortified. That, to me, is telling. IMO he knew exactly what he was doing and who he was shooting.

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