Oscar pistorius

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Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

Can OP walk/stand on his stumps? I know he's fairly mobile, but according to several (probably highly suspect) pictorial depictions, he's basically sitting and moving himself along via his hands. So the shots would have happened from a sitting position, not a standing on his stumps one.

Op said in his statement to court that he can walk on his stumps

No Ellie, he can walk on them, although presumably not too far. There was a documentary about him which talked to his doctor. They created a 'heel' so that he could walk around (he was a toddler at the time).

OK - thanks.

This is what I mean about showing him sitting, so I was a bit confused.....

Sorry, DM link

Scroll down to the Oscar's Story bit.

I'm confused - sorry if this has been covered already - but this isn't his trial is it?

It seems like a trial the amount of detail that's being examined. Trials don't happen so soon after the event in the UK do they? (Sorry to be dense)

no it's merely a bail hearing.

But one could be forgiven for being confused and thinking it was a trial - given the sheer amount of information being released

His amputation was below knee so he would have mobility and would not, I think, be bum shuffling like the mail seem to be grotesquely portraying.
The papers have really disgraced themselves. Good god, a girl has been shot dead by the person who loved her. Two people who seemingly had the world at their feet. And the mail (and a SA paper) create a cartoon to show what went on.

Thanks WannaBe

Yes so much info and detail so soon. Would it happen like that here? I'm not familiar with legal ins and outs.

How will he get a fair trial later with all this being given out now?

A cartoon in the paper Good god how very insensitive and crass

Yes, it's repellent. And if they are showing him, as you say, "bum-shuffling" when he could walk, then they haven't even taken the trouble to do their research properly.

what's wrong with doing a drawing/graphic/cartoon?

How's that any different to the official court room sketches we have in the UK?

Tom, they don't have trial by jury in SA, a judge decides his fate and he/she is considered to be beyond influence, unlike jury members. Hence, the case can be discussed openly. In this country, a case is sub-judice from the moment someone is charged and the media cannot report anything at all about the case other than "Joe Bloggs has been charged with xxx. Xxx died on the 14th Jan. He'll appear in court in May" etc.

That said, the reporting in this case has been completely unprofessional and irresponsible with complete fiction bring printed without basis in truth.

Obviously, once the trial begins, the media can report what is said in court. But not comment on it. Bail hearings are never reported on precisely because much of the information revealed early on is unsubstantiated and not very thorough.

Oh ffs, a "cartoon" isn't necessarily a comic strip anyway. If you said "graphic" nobody would take offence.

Never said it was comic. The two I have seen are IMO in bad taste.

Many thanks Puff! Interesting how things differ.

And the DM cartoon/drawing/whatever shows OP firing from a sitting position. The cartoon/drawing/whatever is titled 'oscars account'. So...the mail got an interview then?
The family of the deceased see these too - their daughters last moments, portrayed in cartoon style.

There you go again, with "cartoon". Almost everyone perceives cartoon = comic strip. They're drawings.

it's not their cartoon - it's just been reproduced

onlymeee I concede, they are drawings the papers have created to show what might and might not have been the sequenconlymeee I concede, they are drawings the papers have created to show what might and might not have been the sequence of events. The DM's one claims to be OP's account ...how can they claim that?

sorry, on phone, rubbish post.

The drawing that the DM had on their website showing Reeva being shot in the bedroom and an ipad on the floor seems (on what we've heard in court so far) to be very inaccurate so I wouldn't set too much store by it.

Nancy - just out of interest do you know why the second drawing was used when the first was so wrong?

cartoon, drawing, sketch, graphic does it really matter? It's a pictoral piece designed to sensationalise a murder, and a grossly inaccurate one at that. language is unimportant in the scheme of things; this isn't supposed to be informative - it's designed to turn a tragedy into a piece of entertainment fodder. But then if you read the daily mail you should expect nothing less.

So someone else originally published it - big deal. Reproducing it doesn't make the daily mail any less responsible for its distribution.

I thought the graphic in the DM was grossly offensive. It's fine to have a rough guide of the house layout/sequence of events, but the way they've put the stick figures in? I was V sensationalist and totally unnecessary.

marquesa - don't know what the first drawing is that you're referring to.