Oscar pistorius

[spiderbabymum]

Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

But then if you read the daily mail you should expect nothing less.

The graphics were absolutely thoughtless. A representation of Oscar Pistorious, who has been a double amputee from the age of 11 months, well before the age that most children can walk, bum-shuffling along the floor His affidavit clearly said that he had some mobility on his stumps.

Anyway, I was just thinking of all those burglars who break into houses and lock themselves into toilets

The only reason a burglar would lock themself in a toilet is if they were being pursued. That is not in Oscar's story is it? How very odd

mcmooncup he didn't know the door was locked when he shot Reeva. It's quite feasible that a burgular would hide in a toilet if disturbed, until the resident went away, so that they could escape.

mcmooncup possibly they could climb in open window, realise they were in an ensuite and effectively trapped as people were in bedroom and hide in toilet waiting for someone to visit bathroom so they could then take them on & then burgle house?

Possible? I don't know how probable?

I wonder what noise she was making to make him think it was an intruder rather than GF taking a pee. If she got to bathroom in the dark, without communicating with him at all or turning any lights on (strange?), what noise would she have been making in there to be so inflammatory and frightening?

lougle to escape they could just go back out the way they came in?

I really don't know what to think,I'm just astonished that so much information has been made public.How the hell can they find a jury (in the actual trial) who can honestly claim not to have heard any of these details (many of which will be dis-counted before it reaches trial)?

I think South Africa comes out of all this appallingly.It has shone a very bright light on how that country is,a truly negative light.

I have a horrible feeling this will end in the OP's suicide

No jury Hilda.

The 'intruder' wasn't described as disturbed by the defence.

of course hiding in a bathroom is entirely feasible.

So - burglar enters house through open window, at time said burglar enters the house he hears a noise - it's the home owner closing the balcony door. so he hides in the bathroom presuming that home owner will either go back to bed or go downstairs - either would work for a burglar... when all goes quiet burglar emerges....

Now obviously this scenario didn't happen because there wasn't a burglar, but it's entirely plausible that if someone did burgle the house in that way they could hide in the bathroom if disturbed....

There are no jury trials in SA Hilda. The outcome will be decided by a judge.

Equally though, it is fairly unlikely that someone would hide in the bathroom because they were being pursued by someone with violent intent (as some have suggested Reeva was), and instead of climbing out the open window onto the ladders, took the opportunity to go to the loo....

She was found with an empty bladder, which is utterly consistent with having got up to go to the loo.

How do you know about the empty bladder Lily?

I really don't think the ladders were handily placed outside the window .....

I disagree that it's unlikely that she'd run into the bathroom. The toilet or bathroom is an instinctive place to run to because it will usually have a lock. If he was between her and the bedroom door, it may have been her only option anyway.

The empty bladder fits in with several different scenarios.

I think the certain media, particularly the UK media have been absolutely disgusting in this case.

A young woman has been shot dead. That is horrific enough.

So why add spurious gore involving cricket bats and "roid-rage"? How horrible for her family to have that to add to their suffering. You would think in such an unpleasant case, they would take care to only report what was definitely known and in a sensitive manner, but no, bollocks to that, lets turn it into as much of a horror film as possible.

Thus far, a lot of things that they swore were true have so far crumpled and I see not a speck of shame from them.

The vultures in court describing events as "riveting" and in the BBC's case "spellbinding" should also be ashamed of themselves.

She was found with an empty bladder, which is utterly consistent with having got up to go to the loo Or wetting yourself with fear.

I think anyone hiding from someone with a gun would be more likely to run into the toilet & put a wooden door between you asap, rather than clamber onto a windowsill then swivel down onto a ladder.

Not that we want to be armchair detectives, eh?

IMO, all the speculation around this tragic incident is nasty and no good can come of it.
I know what I think, DH doesn't agree, but I am seldom wrong.

Jesus Christ! the DM, armchair detectives are alive and well and living on this thread.

I've just googled how far 300m is. It is the distance from our house to the pub at the end of our street. I have never, not once, heard any sounds from there because it is just too far. My friend who lives a few doors away from it complains about the noise regularly, especially at closing time on a weekend but it never reaches us. There is no way witnesses at 300m would hear shouting.

Have just read this this
It's turning out to be a farce. I hope if OP is acquitted its because his version of events is forensically probable and not because of the incompetence of the SA prosecution

I've just seen that too lula - wtf is going on?

Am leaving this thread, I can't abide the armchair detective stuff. All the speculation about 'it's weird to lock yourself in the toilet'.

Remember this is a young woman who has died, it's not some game.

The things I've posted on here were simply quotes from the trial & I do not wish to be drawn into a speculative argument about what might have happened the other side of the world, so I am going to leave the thread.

Assume your links are to latest report that lead police officer in the OP case has been arrested himself for attempted murder? Unbelievable in such a high profile case! SA justice/SAPS will now (slightly unfairly) be a laughing stock...not been my personal experience, fortunately.

Am on "the other side of the world" and nice to hear lots of mention on radio of her family, their private service, their loss of her as a real individual and family member. Much more so than the international coverage

This is becoming such a farce. The prosecution seem so unprepared and I know this isn't the full trial but if this evidence changes by then it will seem 'dodgy' and if it doesn't it seems faintly ridiculous.
It's almost like the authorities want him to be acquitted so have acted now to withdraw confidence in the lead officer (deciding he will face the attempted murder case on the day he gives evidence?).

I don't think it's strange to lock the bathroom door but I do find it very strange not to tell her to stay where she is you are going to investigate or notice where Reeva is. Seems strange not to hear Reeva get up but then hear her in the bathroom further away. Not impossible. The safe and memory stick evidence appeared to be glossed over yesterday. What were they after?

The defence is clearly making mincemeat of the prosecution. However, it does seem extraordinary that so much detail is being presented at a simple bail hearing. Normally both prosecution and defence would have months in which to prepare their cases.

By the way, I don't really understand the objections to people speculating. I think it's less "armchair detective" than "armchair jury". It's human nature to be curious and to think about this stuff and try to solve the problem. Probably just as well, really, because in a jury trial it means people are engaged, rather than thinking, "Oh, I really can't be arsed with all this."

It's turning out to be a farce. I hope if OP is acquitted its because his version of events is forensically probable and not because of the incompetence of the SA prosecution

^ this.

Not only because justice for Reeva's family/herself is the aim but that so if OP is innocent of the premeditated murder he will have the opportunity to clear his name.