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Oscar pistorius

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spiderbabymum · 14/02/2013 07:11

Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

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msrisotto · 20/02/2013 09:07

Sorry, link fail here

catgirl1976 · 20/02/2013 09:07

What he's saying is plausible I suppose

But it sounds very odd in places

flippinada · 20/02/2013 09:13

I've been following the guardian live feed too. Can't link as on phone.

Not looking good for him at all.

diddl · 20/02/2013 09:15

I have an awful vision of the poor girl hiding in there from him tbh.

Don´t know why as I don´t know him.

Just seems odd to me that his first thought on hearing someone in the bathroom is that it´s an intruder.

And if he is so worried-why aren´t all windows barred, for example?

diddl · 20/02/2013 09:15

Also, it´s the fact that whoever it was was locked in the bathroom-& therefore no threat?

Absy · 20/02/2013 09:23

"Just seems odd to me that his first thought on hearing someone in the bathroom is that it´s an intruder."

As said on this thread and the last, by wannabe and I - that's how South Africans think now after 20+ years of living in a country with one of the highest crime rates in the world.

youfhearted · 20/02/2013 09:24

but then this is just an application for bail, the actual court hearing wont be for some months, remember

PuffPants · 20/02/2013 09:26

But he didn't know the bathroom door was locked, surely. How would you know that just by seeing a closed door? He realised afterwards that it was locked but, at the time, whoever he believed was in there, could appear at any moment.

currentbuns · 20/02/2013 09:28

A neighbour will be giving evidence on hearing "constant fighting" between 2 and 3am, according to the Guardian feed.

Absy · 20/02/2013 09:29

Having grown up in SA (in Joburg actually) and then moved to the UK, I think it is very difficult, if not impossible for people in the UK to understand what it's like to live in a city with a crime problem like Joburg. When I was a kid, there were police helicopters circling the neighbourhood with search lights every evening, as there had been so many car jackings at peoples' houses when they came home from work (and this was a naice suburb, not a dodgy neighbourhood).
I know many people who have been broken into (even in closed neighbourhoods) and been held hostage for hours as armed burglars rampage through the house. In my family alone, my grandmother was robbed 4 times, one time she came home to a man brandishing a knife at her. My aunt and uncle's house has been broken into numerous times, my cousin held up at gunpoint at work on two occassions (and the robbers came back a few weeks later, just to walk around) and her best friend was brutally raped and murdered. Sadly, stories like these are not exceptional. People have lived for 20+ years in that city with the ongoing fear of random violence. British people can't even begin to comprehend that - all houses have burglar guards, high walls, armed response units. Restaurants aren't open after past 10 (there was one time when armed hold ups in restaurants was very common) adn you don't walk around on your own at night. At one stage the police had to walk around in gangs of at least 4, as they kept on being robbed and having their guns stolen.

SA had 15,940 intentional homicides in 2012. By comparison, the UK had 722. There are around 20 million fewer people in SA.

AnyaKnowIt · 20/02/2013 09:30

reeva was dressed when she died and an overnight bag was found downstairs. looks like she never made it to bed Sad

youfhearted · 20/02/2013 09:33

i read the overnight bag was found in the bedroom, on the couch.

AnyaKnowIt · 20/02/2013 09:36

yes my mistake it was by a bed

msrisotto · 20/02/2013 09:37

And to be fair, shorts and a vest top could be nightwear.

catgirl1976 · 20/02/2013 09:38

I've just the guardian news feed too

It doesn't look good for him at all

msrisotto · 20/02/2013 09:41

Two bottles of testosterone and needles found in his house. Even if he was cleared he has ruined his own reputation anyway.

Xenia · 20/02/2013 09:41

We shall have to see. If the neighbour heard fighting between them then the intruder theory is not likely. If you are in bed with a woman and you hear a noise most people would first check it was not their partner.

Also would you really lock the door in the night if you think your boyfriend is asleep and you are just urinating? Why would she lock the door?

youfhearted · 20/02/2013 09:43

wouldnt he be allowed testosterone?

CurlyhairedAssassin · 20/02/2013 09:43

A few things are odd about his statement. Firstly I don't believe it was so pitch black that he didn't notice his girlfriend wasn't in the bed at all these different points. Firstly he would have noticed if was there when he got up to get the fan and slide the balcony door back. He said he then heard a noise from the bathroom so went to investigate, saying nothing to his beloved to warn her, and on his way screamed at the "intruder" to get out of his house. I find it im

Jemma1111 · 20/02/2013 09:43

I don't buy his story that he thought there was an intruder especially after reading that the neighbours reportedly heard screams .

He must have known who was behind that door because that poor girl would have been screaming for her life.

I believe he is as guilty as hell .

YellowFlyingPineapple · 20/02/2013 09:43

Anya - Reeva was in shorts and a vest top, its hot in SA at this time of year

Well said Absy, if people commenting here have not lived or even been to SA they have no idea how common place and the at what level of violence that occurs this is not the leafy home counties we are talking about.

Intruders are armed, their life prospects are poor, many are high on Tic and think if there is security in place be it burglar bars on windows or razor wire there must be something worth stealing.

Some understanding of the context is essential IMHO.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 20/02/2013 09:50

...whoops....

Implausible that she wouldn't have shouted from wherever she was "what's going on?!" Or something similar. So even if he honestly thought she was still in bed then he surely must have expected to hear her shout from the bedroom. If she was in the bathroom then she must definitely have heard him scream and said "it's just me, Oscar".

Also, if she just got up for a wee after he went on the balcony as he now reckons must have happened, wouldn't she have wondered where HE was? And said something to that effect? Especially if she heard someone out there moving the fan etc.

Why would she lock the bathroom door if she had just nipped for a wee?

There are far too many ridiculous things in his story that don make sense.

Darmont · 20/02/2013 09:50

The case against him looking pretty convincing now. I wish it wasn't as don't want to believe it. Gun shots fired downwards thru door indicating he had legs on (not what he said), reeva hit on rhs indicating she was not sitting on loo but hiding facing other way, and 2 bottles of testosterone and needles found at his house.

youfhearted · 20/02/2013 09:52

YESTERDay was the defence, Today is the prosecution.

this is the application for Bail.

Absy · 20/02/2013 09:54

Murder rates per 100,000 of population:

  • United Kingdom 1.5 (from last year of data, 2009 but it's been about the same since 2000)
  • United States 4.8
  • South Africa 31.8

The murder rate in SA is around twenty one times higher than the UK.

Do any of you saying "why did he think it was an intruder?" see why South Africans are a bit jittery?