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Oscar pistorius

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spiderbabymum · 14/02/2013 07:11

Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

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TheCraicDealer · 19/02/2013 23:42

Re. the light- plenty of hotels have bathrooms with automatic lights that flick on when they sense movement. Not completely off the wall that this plush mansion has something similar. Could account for the a) his attention being brought to the bathroom, and b) enough light to see what he's doing in the ensuite but not in the bedroom.

I'm not defending him, no fan of his. But still I can almost relate to the moment of being half awake, hearing a noise and suddenly realising that you haven't shut a door or window, and fuck, those contractors left their ladders at that side of the house; the links being made in your fuzzy mind.

onlymeee · 19/02/2013 23:44

I imagine that the bathroom is en suite, in a sense, but not directly next to the bedroom as there is mention of a passage between the two. Perhaps the "passage" is more like a dressing room, with the bathroom & loo beyond. Then there is a separate exit from the bedroom which was the one that was locked

BeCool · 20/02/2013 00:04

That's plausable wannabe

The prosecution say that the bathroom in question was 6 meters down a passageway - does this place it outside of the bedroom in that case? Does the passageway lead just to the bathroom (effectively an ensuite then) or is it a passageway leading to the bedroom from the main house with the bathroom off it?

Reading this again, it sounds like the bathroom as ensuite - " I believed that when the intruder/s came out of the toilet we would be in grave danger. I felt trapped as my bedroom door was locked and I have limited mobility on my stumps."

If it is an ensuite I can imagine the terror could be even more ramped up - a possible intruder in such close quarters. But if he is that paranoid re security he would have surely closed the windows in the ensuite (and in the bathroom down the hall even) before going to bed? Paranoids I've known are very good at checking the things that make them feel unsafe before they are able to relax enough to sleep for example.

Then again, if it is an ensuite its an even great reason to check it's not your girlfriend simply going to the loo, when you had ample opportunity to do this by reaching out to feel her in the bed as you sorted the gun out, even though you cant see her due to pitch black. If he really thought she was in bed, why didn't he reach out to shake her awake once he had the gun, to tell her to call the police?

Another question, he has a huge home - why does he keep a cricket bat in his bedroom? Defensive weapon perhaps? It seems a strange place to keep a cricket bat though - I bet he has a whole room to keep sport kit etc.

BeCool · 20/02/2013 00:06

that's it I think onlymeee - I got there eventually!!

wannaBe · 20/02/2013 00:14

did he say he kept it in the bedroom though? he could have gone to get it once he realised the door was locked and he needed to break it down.

Having said that, given the man slept with a presumably loaded gun under his bed I think a cricket bat isn't that far from the norm. Wink

BlatantLies · 20/02/2013 00:22

We lived in a super secure estate and locked the door at the top of the stairs every night. We were not paranoid but the door had a lock on it so we locked it.

BeCool · 20/02/2013 00:25

so he locks the bedroom door (out of habit perhaps) so they are locked in, it seems the key isn't in the door else he would have been able to leave easily and it wouldn't be adding to his fear as he claims. He leaves balcony door open though (for breeze on hot night - OK) AND leaves the ensuite bathroom window open when there is scaffolding outside (simply forgetful?).

He wakes up, goes to balcony, then when he hears a noise in bathroom he instantly remembers about open windows and scaffolding, and paranoia kick in. The thought that Reeva is going to the toilet doesn't enter his mind.

He assumes Reeva is in bed X minutes before, but doesn't know this as it's dark (he's never said he saw her in bed when he initially got up). In the meantime Reeva has silently awoken and gone to use the bathroom in the dark.

what noise did he hear from the bathroom - if she's gone in there silently she wasn't being loud. She's possibly being considerate not turing lights on or making any noise so not to wake him. If so then she didn't know he was up? Did he hear her peeing or flushing loo - what burglar would do that? What other noises might a considerate quiet pee taker make in the loo in the middle of the night that might sound like an intruder rather than someone using the toilet?

It's pitch dark. Rather than thinking it's Reeva in the loo and checking if she is in bed as he goes to the bed to get his gun, he gets gun and simply fires blindly at locked toilet door in a paranoid panic. FFS! Shooting the person you love out of plain stupidity?

BeCool · 20/02/2013 00:26

yes he said he went back to the bedroom and grabbed his cricket bat.

BlatantLies · 20/02/2013 00:27

Houses in this type of estate may well have huge master suites rather than what we would think of as an ensuite. Our dressing room in SA was bigger than our UK bedroom and ensuite combined. OP's house looks a lot bigger and fancier than ours was.

BigAudioDynamite · 20/02/2013 00:36

ah, i see....locked in the bedroom....rather than he had left the bedroom to go to the bathroom nd he was locked out of the bedroom

the only way it would wash for me, is if he had his gun in his hand all the time and had shot in that first panic striken moment.

i cant see that in going back to the bedroom to get your gun (with no burgular type action ensuing from the toilet) it wouldnt have occured to him that it might be Reeva

unless he is incredibly incredibly stupid.

ajourneyofgiraffes · 20/02/2013 04:09

Here's a link to his full affidavit presented at his bail hearing yesterday.

www.pod702.co.za/Eyewitnessnews/docs/130219oscar_papers.pdf

Lulabel27 · 20/02/2013 06:22

I' can't remember if this has been mentioned but how did he know the door was locked (according to his account). At what p

Lulabel27 · 20/02/2013 06:26

Sorry iPhone...
At what point did he try and open the door with a handle before breaking it down? If his story is to be believed (and I do think it's plausible) then when he went to the bathroom to check out who was there he had no idea if the door was locked or not. It was pitch dark so he couldn't see if the lock was turned or not? Only way he would know it was locked was of he was there when the person went in the room and heated them lock it which isn't consistent with his account...

Maybe I missed it in the full affidavit?

Lulabel27 · 20/02/2013 06:28

Heard the lock... Not heated

Lulabel27 · 20/02/2013 06:40

Ok ignore me it says in his affidavit that he did try to open the door before forcing entry. I don't know what to believe :(

Heartbeep · 20/02/2013 07:07

Wow I can't believe the full affidavit is available on the net.

Not sure what I think. I have thought until now guilty, that's based on media reports.

After reading that I think possibly plausible. Massive questions but plausible...I suppose that's the intention though isn't it?

I also think someone very close to him who was at the scene immediately after is leaking negative information re the cricket bat being covered in blood.

I think in order to fully understand his description of events you'd need to know the layout of the room.

JillJ72 · 20/02/2013 07:47

I agree about the leaks. I also think strategically, it was a sensible move to publish the full affidavit, as - as we have seen over the past few days - there has been a lot of speculative media reporting, and likewise the snippets from the affidavit published live yesterday didn't give the full context.

Wait to see what comes to light today. Was this a 'mistake' or was it something more intentional?

jaynebxl · 20/02/2013 08:16

Wasn't it the bathroom door, not the bedroom door that was locked?

youfhearted · 20/02/2013 08:26

i wouldnt want to be the neighbour/witness in court today.

catgirl1976 · 20/02/2013 08:32

Is it just me or is the first thing you do when you hear a scary, might be an intruder noise, is shake you DP and say "DP, DP, there's someone in the house"? Maybe telling them to hide, or get to safety or call the police or something?

I appreciate he was out of the bed and she was in it (in his view), but still.......

diddl · 20/02/2013 09:00

Sounds a load of crock to me!

So he went out in the dark to fetch a fan-hence not seeing that she wasn´t in bed?

Workmen had left ladders up?

Really-and he´s so paranoid about intruders??

PuffPants · 20/02/2013 09:01

Just read that if OP is denied bail and goes to a remand prison, he will probably have his prosthetic legs taken away as they could be used as weapons and will have to use a wheelchair.

I wonder if this will constitute the "exceptional circumstances" required to allow bail.

Remember, people on remand have not been found guilty of any crime. Yet.

Lulabel27 · 20/02/2013 09:01

Yes catgirl a lot of people would shake DP but if, say he has a super king bed and he hasn't got his prosthesis on so is pretty short at that time he won't have a very clear view of Reeva's side. It might be difficult for him to climb up/on bed to get tO her side and shake her and in the heat of the moment decides its best to sort out the "intruder".

I want to point out I don't know what to believe but am trying to look objectively at both sides.

Lulabel27 · 20/02/2013 09:03

The above point is in relation to when he went back to the bed to get his gun

msrisotto · 20/02/2013 09:06

FYI There's a live feed of the proceedings this morning {{http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2013/feb/20/oscar-pistorius-bail-hearing-day-two-live-coverage here]]. At the moment they're saying that given the location of the wounds, she would not have been sitting on the loo but 'hiding' in a different position.