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Oscar pistorius

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spiderbabymum · 14/02/2013 07:11

Heard the news this am

I'm just Devastated for him and his family and partners family

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BeCool · 19/02/2013 22:40

I agree Merry - even if he did do it in a fit of spontaneous rage, he could very well, and understandably be shocked, horrified and remorseful about it. To be completely cynical, this shock, horror and remorse could well stem from the dreadful situation his life is now in as a result of his actions, if not a genuine response to the fact he had killed his girlfriend. Either way he's fucked his life up.

BeCool · 19/02/2013 22:46

Maryz from his full statement:

"I battled to get her out of the toilet and pulled her into the bathroom. I phoned Johan Stander who was involved in the administration of the estate and asked him to phone the ambulance. I phoned Netcare and asked for help. I went downstairs to open the front door."

Oscar was advised to drive her to the hospital himself rather than waiting for an ambulance. It seems Stander and a local doctor arrived very quickly. So phoning for help locally, though initially strange, looked like the 'right' decision after all. Sadly Reeva was beyond help.

BeCool · 19/02/2013 22:54

"When I reached the bed, I realised that Reeva was not in bed. That is when it dawned on me that it could have been Reeva who was in the toilet. I returned to the bathroom calling her name. I tried to open the toilet door but it was locked. I rushed back into the bedroom and opened the sliding door exiting on to the balcony and screamed for help. I put on my prosthetic legs, ran back to the bathroom and tried to kick the toilet door open. I think I must then have turned on the lights."

It all happened in the dark! I don't get this part of it at all. The initial balcony action, Reeva getting up & going to the loo, getting the gun from under the bed, going to the bathroom, shooting the toilet door and Reeva, running back to the bed, going back to the bathroom, going back to the bedroom, going onto the balcony to call for help, putting on prosthetic legs, running back to bathroom, kicking door - all happened in 'pitch dark'.

BagCat · 19/02/2013 22:56

The stories of him crying like he has been, reminds me of the Philpotts when they were on tv. Genuine, heavy emotional tears, but who knows the reason behind them till guilty or innocent is decided? Grief, guilt, regret, shock? Who knows.

I don't feel sorry for his tears, or for him. I feel sorry for the woman who is no longer alive for whatever the true reason may be. I also feel for her family who must be gutted at losing her Sad

Maryz · 19/02/2013 22:57

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wannaBe · 19/02/2013 23:04

I've just been having a conversation with a friiend in SA about this (not the friend who knows OP personally - another one).

Interestingly, people in SA don't buy the "I thought it was an intruder" line, but an interesting point he made was, "the scary thing is, if this is his reaction to hearing a partner or wife or such moving around his bathroom, it's a wonder he's never killed someone before." This can't be the first time he's spent the night with someone who's got up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, surely? yet this is the first time he fired four shots at the door....?

There's something that doesn't make sense about this and I can't put my finger on it.

I daren't say this for fear of flaming but is it possible that OP was indeed defending himself... not against a burglar but ...? it does happen...

BeCool · 19/02/2013 23:04

He said "it was pitch dark in the bedroom and I thought Reeva was in bed". If there was enough light from the balcony/open curtains for her to see to go to the loo, why couldn't he see she wasn't in bed?

Perhaps it's an incredibly huge bedroom and the light from balcony (if there was one) didn't reach as far as the bed?

I also want to know if it has an ensuite, or just the loo down the hall?

onlymeee · 19/02/2013 23:07

This rugby player she's apparently friendly with is the spitting image of OP.

BigAudioDynamite · 19/02/2013 23:08

why was his bedroom door locked? hadnt he just come from his bedroom?

is he a bit thick? if he is one of those illogical no common-sense type of people then his version of events could be true. Ive known people that jump to really odd seeming conclusions and read situations differently to how 99% of people would.....the not checking the bed to find out if Reeva was there/ just not assuming that Reeva had gone for a waz

It doesnt explain why she apparently didnt communicate with him at any point though

wannaBe · 19/02/2013 23:09

wrt the gun, if you live in a place where you have the need for a gun, you would know where it is, exactly, so you could reach it if needed - even in the dark.

This is his house, he will be familliar with it, surely? after all it was only the bedroom area. is it that implausible that he wouldn't be able to make his way around the bedroom in the dark?

BeCool · 19/02/2013 23:10

Sunrise today in J'burg is 5.56am so there wouldn't be any natural light from the sun in the early hours. There may have been some moonlight from a half moon.

BigAudioDynamite · 19/02/2013 23:11

YY becool Id have flipped the lights on, for sure

BigAudioDynamite · 19/02/2013 23:12

i go to the bathroom in the dark, but if i thought i heard someone, i mean

BeCool · 19/02/2013 23:12

he did a lot more than make his way around the bedroom wannabe, and in a blind panic it would seem too.

Maryz · 19/02/2013 23:14

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BeCool · 19/02/2013 23:17

"On my way to the bathroom I screamed words to the effect for him/them to get out of my house and for Reeva to phone the police."

He says he was verbally alerting the 'intruders' and yelling for Reeva to call the police. Why not then try to wake her when he was at the bed getting the gun and tell her to call the police?

The prosecution are going to rip him to shreds. If he didn't intend to kill her he's got a lot of work to do to prove it. He missed so many opportunities to try and wake her and/or see she wasn't in the bed.

Norem · 19/02/2013 23:20

Why would she lock the bathroom door?

BigAudioDynamite · 19/02/2013 23:21

i would, and have maryz...i made as much noise as possible and turned all the lights on and fled to a room where I could lock myself in.

OP was shouting at the 'intruder' so its not as if he was trying to sneak away un-noticed

BeCool · 19/02/2013 23:26

Maryz why do you think there was light coming into the house from outside? I can't see any mention of it in his statement? He only refers to the bedroom being pitch dark.

The house is very big and from the images I've seen it doesn't look like there are any street lights on the road out front. There is a field out the back. Lots of big trees. the neighbours on one side only have small windows facing his house. Do you think they went to sleep with the balcony light on, curtains not drawn, so the light is shining into the bedroom? That is odd but possible I guess but it's not mentioned anywhere I've seen.

GozerTheGozerian · 19/02/2013 23:27

I wouldn't have turned the light on. You know your house inside out - if you thought you had an intruder you're better with the lights off as you're at a massive advantage because you know your way around.

BigAudioDynamite · 19/02/2013 23:27

why was the bedroom door locked?

did he lock it behind him after he got the gun? to protect Reeva, who he thought was in bed?

BeCool · 19/02/2013 23:30

I know I keep banging on about the bloody ensuite, but do you not think such a palatial modern home would have one? Check out the pictures of the place - I would think it have ensuite and dressing room!!!

Is there one? and if so why didn't Reeva go to the loo in the ensuite????

BeCool · 19/02/2013 23:31

Gozer do you think Reeva would have known the place inside out?

wannaBe · 19/02/2013 23:39

some people in SA do lock internal doors at night precisely because if an intruder were to break in they are more protected. of course, if there's a fire they are screwed but that's another issue. But on the whole all internal doors in SA have locks and keys.

If OP was the paranoid sort (and judging by his guns etc it would appear he was) then it's entirely plausible that he would lock his bedroom door at night. As for the balcony door, well who knows really, it was the night before valentines, his GF was staying over, they didn't live together and were in a fairly new relationship, it's possible they went to bed, had sex, (balcony door still open as it was hot, remember it's been in the upper 30's in SA for the past few weeks), then fell asleep. and that he woke up and realised it was open so got up to close it.

He is paranoid. paranoid enough to lock his bedroom door at night. He went to sleep having taken a risk beyond the norm, and as he is paranoid, when he hears a noise he suddenly thinks "I left the door open, I don't usually because well, anything can happen," then he looks into the bathroom and sees the unsecured window is open... puts two and two together and comes up with five.