hunting is illegal so why do it?

[VicarInaTutuDrankSantasSherry]

i ride. (well, ive just started but....)
i abhor hunting. hate hate hate the cruelty of it. i think that the RSPCA did the right thing here in this prosecution. why do people of a certain class believe they are above the law?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-camerons-local-hunt-fined-26300-for-illegal-fox-hunting-8422915.html

and we spend money (rightly imo) doing this www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-20739585

mad world. why do people feel the need to kill animals in the most inhunane ways possible?

absolutely agree with lrd

i think anyone telling themselves this is acceptable for a civilised society is kidding themselves.

LRD I have hunted since 1984 and never seen what you describe. I think you have made it up frankly. And of course hunting is inbred into horses, they have hunted with man since the dawn of time, as have dogs. You only have to see their reaction to the hounds and horn to realise that the instinct runs deep. Every hunter on here has said that they have no pleasure in the kill (except to be pleased with the hounds for doing a good job).The paedophile law isn't remotely the same as it effects children too. No one agrees with paedophilia except the perpetrators.

Owls do not generally eat carrion. It might have been a crow, but we have a lot of magpies in our area.

Magpies and crows do regularly peck the eyes out of sick lambs and dying foxes etc

so why is it ok to break the law. and why do you believe you are above it?

what is the difference between this and hare causing? similar set up isnt there?

And it was definitely the eyes that were being eaten? Your dh could get a lot of work on the conference circuit with a trick like that!

I think accusing me of lying is probably not the best way to get yourself out of a sticky spot in an argument.

You are the one pretending hunting is somehow 'natural' and fun, despite making patently incorrect claims. Horses have not hunted with man 'since the dawn of time'. They were only tamed relatively recently, and as far as we know, were still being hunted for food in the paleolithic times.

I've seen the reaction of hounds - I don't believe it's instinct at all. Have you never seen the number of hounds who don't make it as hunt dogs? Then maybe you would understand that what you think is 'instinct' is simply selection.

If you could justify why humans enjoy making sport out of killing an animal, I could at least begin to understand. But instead you make up silly stories about a made up past ... that is absurd, and not credible.

You mean coursing? I went coursing once to see what I thought and it was fine except the betting.

'Magpies and crows do regularly peck the eyes out of sick lambs and dying foxes etc'

No shit. That's because they're carrion birds. They're naturally designed to do that.

OTOH, horses, for example, are not naturally designed to be hunters.

See the difference yet?

Oh and I agree with everything LRD is saying.

I haven't read all the posts (sorry), but I have seen many, many kills.

Hunting is unnacceptable and utterly vile.

Most countryside people pro-hunting - NOT TRUE
Foxes (and deer) are killed quickly by hounds - NOT TRUE
Hounds are looked after and kept in good conditions - NOT TRUE
Hounds live natural life-spans in Hunt kennels - NOT TRUE
Hunts never trespass - NOT TRUE
Hunts never go out to intentionally break the law - NOT TRUE
Foxes are never bred for hunting - NOT TRUE
Artificial earths aren't made by Hunt staff - NOT TRUE
Hunting is an effective form of pest control - NOT TRUE

...and don't get me started on the underground dog fights otherwise known as terrierwork.

Anyone who finds pleasure in this sort of 'sport' has serious problems.

Vicar I have explained several times that if a law is morally wrong it should be broken and the consequences suffered. That is not the same as thinking one is above the law

Dogs also really really love bells: just ask Pavlov.

I don't think you know much about horses then LRD?? Of course they don't want to kill the fox but they want to be a part of the hunt. My old horse used to go crazy when she heard a fox bark, hounds in cry or even saw a hunt lorry go along the road, she jumped a 5 bar gate with me from standstill once while hacking as she wanted to catch up with the hunt. They love it.

So they like everything about hunting, but 'of course' they don't like killing the fox? Have you thought about just taking them out for a ride?

I live in the countryside.
I fucking abhor hunting.
Has anyone said it yet:
The unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible

tetlymel; hunting is acceptable and supported by most farmers landowners etc
the many kills I have seen have all been quick
I have never seen a hound in poor condition out hunting
hounds are PTS when they are too unsound to hunt
Hunts do trespass accidentally. I have never been on a hunt where there was deliberate trespass but have seen hounds called back when they strayed.
Hunts vary in their response to the Act. There are many loopholes
No one breeds foxes these days that I have heard of, there are too many about anyway!
Artificials exist but from the old days, they are not built now as above
Hunting is effective at culling sick weak foxes.
Most fox hunters are pretty well adjusted IMHO :)

Pony but you don't get to decide what's 'morally wrong'. You're morals are clearly different to the majority.

My horses get bored hacking. They LOVE hunting.

Pony anecdotes aren't facts. I've never seen a badger drink a cup of tea. It doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

My morals and those of about 90% of farmers, many/most vets and grooms, and 40-50 ish % of the population? Not sure what the current stats are. Anyway laws and morals arent the same thing or adultery would be illegal

No, Pony, it isn't supported by most farmers. You're wrong.
All the kills you've seen since 1984 have been quick? You're lying.
Hounds are shot at around the age of 5. This isn't even half they're natural lifespan.
Hunts trespass intentionally regularly, and nationally.
Hunts are been very vocal in their intent to break the Hunting Act.
Foxes are still bred and are also captured and then released for hunting.
Yes, artificial earths are still made and found all the time.
Hunting is NOT effective at killing predators. Sick, weak foxes are not predators. Since when does digging out only reach sick foxes?
No, anyone who enjoys killing for pleasure is mentally ill.

You're not sure what the currents stats are.
So you'll just make them up.
Ok, I can do that.
Based on my experience:
98% of the population are against hunting.
80% of vets are against hunting.
100% of foxes are against hunting.

People can only judge on their own life experiences. Nothing is cut and dried anyway. Statistics tend to aid the pro hunters but in the end dont tell us as much as life experience

You're not sure what the current stats are Pony? Then why say that most farmers are pro-hunting?

The vast majority of the UK population, both urban AND rural are against fox and deer hunting - FACT. Even the Countryside Alliance have been forced to agree to that in their marketing.