hunting is illegal so why do it?

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i ride. (well, ive just started but....)
i abhor hunting. hate hate hate the cruelty of it. i think that the RSPCA did the right thing here in this prosecution. why do people of a certain class believe they are above the law?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-camerons-local-hunt-fined-26300-for-illegal-fox-hunting-8422915.html

and we spend money (rightly imo) doing this www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-20739585

mad world. why do people feel the need to kill animals in the most inhunane ways possible?

ie that law must be made with the CONSENT of those it effects

You do realise that couldn't possibly happen in all cases, right?

And there's a few things that humans once did, but died out once we became civilised.

Hunting is great fun, but I dont really care whether its drag hunting or fox hunting. Galloping over land like that jumping gates and hedges is a massive thrill for an experienced rider.

Is it really much worse than putting rat poison down and the rat dying a slow and painful death. The foxes need controlling.

Horses have hunted with humans for 1000's of years, It is now deeply ingrained in them.
I cannot think of another law that doesn't fit this category Ghost, can you?
I am willing to take the consequences of breaking the law, hence I do not think I am above it.

No, it's not.

Why do you think it is, pony?

Society has actually become less civilized in many ways Ghost.

Because I have hunted horses for many seasons over about 26 years and I have a close bond with them

So you think every law must be made with the consent of those it effects?

I'm sure the paedophiles would LOVE that one.

Ah. Anecdotes then. Pity.

Society has actually become less civilized in many ways Ghost

-bangs again against brick wall-

People like you are holding society back with archaic traditions.

Foxes are killed quickly by hounds specially bred to kill by severing of their spinal cords. A lot more pleasant than dying of starvation when they are old and their teeth have fallen out and they can not hunt. A few years ago I heard some dreadful screaming. My husband told me it was an old fox, having its eyes pecked out by a magpie.

Why do people thunk there are old people's homes for wild animals? Or humane euthanasia? Fox hunting tends to kill old or slow foxes, the ones to whom the scenarios above are likely to occur. The extreme adrenalin does not go on for hours at a time, it is sporadic. Round us, the hunt is silent for some hours at times, because they have lost the scent.

I do not agree with digging them out, though, once they have gone to earth.

Chances are if you are buying a frozen turkey for Christmas you are guilty of condoning far more animal cruelty than anyone supporting hunting.

Chances are if you are buying a frozen turkey for Christmas you are guilty of condoning far more animal cruelty than anyone supporting hunting

This is one line I am absolutely sick of hearing. As I've said, I myself am veggie, but even if I wasn't - it doesn't mean people should automatically be okay with fox hunting.

Foxes are killed quickly by hounds specially bred to kill by severing of their spinal cords. A lot more pleasant than dying of starvation when they are old and their teeth have fallen out and they can not hunt

Which is what you and your kind have made yourselves believe to cleanse your already decidedly dodgy concious.

There is nothing quick about being hunted down to the death. There is nothing pleasant about being torn apart by a pack of dogs. It's not a case of one dog running over and severing it's spinal cord - the fox is set upon like the saying goes 'a pack of dogs'.

Foxes are sometimes killed quickly by the hunt. And other times not.

Anyone who drives a car knows that animals also die on our roads. Sometimes quickly and sometimes slowly and in horrible pain.

The difference is, in the second scenario, no-one is deliberately setting out to enjoy an activity that ends in the painful death of an animal.

It is the human enjoyment I find sick, not how much or little pain the animal suffers.

"Talking about the RSPCA's political influences is beside the point in this debate, they've still prosecuted someone breaking the law."

It very much is the point - they choose who to prosecute on a political basis, not an animal welfare one. Travellers regularly beat horses and occasionally drown them at Appleby Horse Fair, but you will not see the RSPCA bringing prosecutions, or even intervening - despite the fact they are breaking the law

The fox dies instantly, from a bite to the back of the neck usually. What happens after that is irrelevant

Yes, but the death occurs by the first hound severing the cord.

I do not hunt. I eat little meat. I am the person who humanely kills the birds and animals knocked over my motorists.

I just think the moral outrage overe hunting is illogical.

Of course it is - because it's not purely about animal welfare

I just think the moral outrage overe hunting is illogical

Many other countries would disagree. Trust the UK to want to continue such a barbaric sport in the name of tadition.

TheOriginal - it isn't at all. You're just trying to divert from the point at hand. In questioning the RSPCA's moral stance and pointing out it's political, you're trying to pooh pooh what they're doing against fox hunting to make it seem unnecessary. When in fact it is very much necessary, whatever the reasons the RSPCA have behind it.

I don't think you have any right to comment about animal welfare if you feel fox hunting is okay, because you obviously have no interest or no care for animals and their welfare.

A few years ago I heard some dreadful screaming. My husband told me it was an old fox, having its eyes pecked out by a magpie. Wow your husband has very specific hearing! Is he definitely sure it wasn't a crow or a raven or an owl?

And the fact of the matter is, if it's all about the chase as you lot claim it is, you can do drag hunting. But you don't.

Which is extremely telling.

Rubbish. I've seen plenty of hunts. If you think the fox is always quickly killed by one bite you've clearly haven't.

Foxes run a long way, and will injure themselves as they run, as well as being terrified. Some get away and die quietly somewhere else; others don't and get killed by the hunt in the illegal way.

My question is: what sort of human being enjoys all of this? I'm aware animals suffer pain as direct or indirect results of humans all the time and I'm personally perfectly ok with the idea that sometimes, an animal has to be killed to protect livestock. But to enjoy it and to pretend it's all good fun for the fox right up to that last snap of the jaws ... bollocks.

How many kills have you seen, LRD?

Three (and only one of those remotely close by). I try very hard to avoid them. But, as I have already said, I have had to bin dead foxes after a hunt and if you were telling the truth, I wouldn't ever have to do that.