hunting is illegal so why do it?

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i ride. (well, ive just started but....)
i abhor hunting. hate hate hate the cruelty of it. i think that the RSPCA did the right thing here in this prosecution. why do people of a certain class believe they are above the law?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-camerons-local-hunt-fined-26300-for-illegal-fox-hunting-8422915.html

and we spend money (rightly imo) doing this www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-20739585

mad world. why do people feel the need to kill animals in the most inhunane ways possible?

No it is not. It is legal, for example, to use hounds to flush a fox to the gun - this is classed as hunting and is legal

attempting to ban hunting was so New Labour, bleeeeeee

Mike Hill and Tom Worby's tragic deaths were accidents caused by them climbing onto moving vehicles during hunts. Worby was a kid recruited by a neo nazi anti. I have seen many sickening deliberate attacks on hunters and their animals by antis.

it's called excersising hounds mel and it is not illegal

Yes, including attacks on horses with razor blades. Nice, for so called animal lovers. But then it has nothing to do with animals

your average anti doesn't give a fuck about foxes

Look forward all you like, Mel - until that day, when hell freezes over, my terriers will continue to kill vermin and thank god for it

What is not? Hunting with a pack of hounds? Er, yes it is LadyFT.

By the way, an Ipsos-MORI poll in December 2010 found that: 76% of the public support the ban on fox hunting; 84% support the ban on deer and stag hunting; and 84% support the ban on hare coursing and hunting. The polling also found that support was almost as high in rural communities, where 71% of the public support the ban on fox hunting.

I noticed lots of hunt job ads in the h and h so they must be still flourishing, and long may they do so.

True, lidl - our local poly used to have signs up offering £10 and a packet of veggie butties to anyone fancying a day trying to get hounds to run onto a railway line

LRD I am not being patronising I am just trying to explain my point of view, sorry its not the same as yours :/
I have always lived in the countryside and seen all sides, good and bad. Hunting isn't perfect nor is anything in life. I just happen to support it for many good reasons.

I explained before that there are many differences between a drag and a quarry hunt that make the drag hunt unsuitable for many horses and riders and there are very few in the UK anyway

But you haven't explained what the differences are. One follows a fake scent laid by a human. The other followed the scent of a fox with an aim to kill. What other differences are there?

As for there not being many drag hunts, that is a crap excuse. If people didn't want to kill Foxes, but wanted to experience the thrill of the hunt then they would drag hunt.

Polls show people would bring back flogging and hanging - fancy that too?

It is not illegal, I have already explained why

it is illegal.

this from the Defra site

www.defra.gov.uk/rural/countryside/hunting/

im a police officer and if i ever get the chance to be wildlife officer as is one of my colleagues i would not be ignoring the issue.

The Hunting Act 2004 bans the hunting with dogs of all wild mammals in England and Wales, including fox, deer, hare and mink, except where it is carried out in accordance with the conditions of one of the exemptions set out in the Act. It also bans all hare coursing.

Exemptions in the Hunting Act allow the following activities to take place in limited circumstances: stalking and flushing out; use of a dog below ground, in the course of stalking and flushing out, to protect birds being kept or preserved for shooting; hunting rats and rabbits; retrieval of hares which have been shot; falconry; recapture of wild mammals; and research and observation.

Exempt hunting can only take place either on land which belongs to the hunter or which he has been given permission to use for that purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs. Permission may also be given by a police constable in respect of the recapture or rescue of a wild mammal.

A person convicted in a magistrates? court of an offence under the Act will be liable to a maximum fine of £5,000. The court also has the power to make an order against a convicted person for the forfeiture of any relevant dog, vehicle or hunting article.

While Defra retains policy responsibility for the Hunting Act, enforcement of the Act is a matter for the Home Office and individual police forces. The Act only covers hunting with dogs in England and Wales. Separate legislation covers hunting with dogs in Scotland.

Relevant legislation
The full text of the Hunting Act 2004, as has a detailed explanation accompanying it.

One of the exemptions in the Hunting Act allows the use of a single dog below ground to protect game birds or wild birds which are being kept for shooting. It is a condition of the exemption that the manner in which the dog is used complies with any Code of Practice approved by the Secretary of State. The British Association for Shooting and Conservation has produced a Code of Practice which has been approved by the Secretary of State, and therefore has the force of law. The Code of Practice is accompanied by a Good Practice Guide.

Key publications and documents
More information about hunting with dogs is on GOV.UK
Further background information on hunting, including the report on the Inquiry into Hunting with Dogs in England and Wales
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Yes, the RSPCA, League Against Cruel Sports, Animal Aid - those animal-hating antis. It's hilarious that you are saying that people are against hunting and they hate animals. HA!

So, you support terrierwork, LadyFT? And all dogfighting then I presume? Sickening.

Tetley the poll results depend on the question you ask, LACS polls are always loaded of course, its about PR and stats can tell you anything you want. Hunting doesn't effect the vast majority of the population, why should they know about it or care about it?

is everyone just going to continue to ignore the facts which i have just posted above take directly from the Defra site?

ok then.

nice one theoriginal. very intelligent debate there i see. i think you just lost the argument.

There are few drag hunts because the farmers don't want them. The land is cut up for no benefit. I have explained that drag hunting is more suitable for thoroughbreds as it is more geared to jumping and short, fast lines rather than a steadier full day. It does not contribute to pest control.

Terrier work and hunting have nothing to do with dog fighting, as I'm sure you're aware

The work my terriers do is invaluable on a farm, I'll not apologise to ignorant emos for it

Who are the 'ignorant emos', the original? People who disagree with you and whose argument defeats you?

Tetley over the years I have seen antis: hitting hounds with walking sticks, sawing at a horses mouth to pull it down (fail) spraying anti mate in hounds eyes, throwing anti mate bottles at horses, driving a van into a horse's legs cutting it, calling hounds onto main roads, hitting a man with a nail studded stave causing a horrible injury, I could go on.