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Exposure, newsnight ect Part 3

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AnyaKnowIt · 06/12/2012 12:57

Other thread getting full

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Lockedout434 · 09/01/2013 08:21

And the government is privatising the probation. Services.

swallowedAfly · 09/01/2013 19:31

and from what i've been reading most of the big wigs in developing treatment, clinics, etc for them over the years have turned out to be in the club themselves Hmm

the amount of paedophile apologists in the form of academics, judiciary etc who surprise, surprise turn out to be paedophiles themselves is... well not that surprising really except that it seems too obvious to be true iyswim.

Mrcrumpswife · 09/01/2013 20:02

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259482/Social-services-knew-girl-4-living-paedophile-foster-parent-left-care-TWO-WEEKS.html

This has been all over our local news. Absolutely sickening how they gagged the press again. Thank goodness for a judge with some sense.

swallowedAfly · 09/01/2013 20:15

and their lie that they acted immediately when in fact it took them days to decide then a further seven days to actually remove her.

hopefully the other child mentioned (who tried to strangle the little girl allegedly) was removed then too.

DollyTwat · 09/01/2013 21:21

Lockedout that's an old report, Charles Irving died years ago
He was the conservative mp for cheltenham, very popular too
The gp they mention did get done for prescribing drugs and also he was addicted himself. This was years ago

AnyaKnowIt · 09/01/2013 21:27

news.sky.com/story/1035698/moira-killer-abused-on-same-scale-as-savile

Heartbreaking to read but some of the comments remind me of something...

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AnyaKnowIt · 09/01/2013 21:28

news.sky.com/story/1035698/moira-killer-abused-on-same-scale-as-savile

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Lockedout434 · 09/01/2013 22:53

Anya

Oh that is so horrific and so so sad.

AnyaKnowIt · 09/01/2013 23:21

Isn't Dumbane in the Central belt?

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bunchamunchycrunchycarrots · 09/01/2013 23:28

Yes it is.

Lockedout434 · 09/01/2013 23:51

Dolly twat I know it was ages ago but there is something pinging in my head about Irving and savile

DollyTwat · 10/01/2013 00:05

Hmm I'll ask my dad what he remembers of Irving then

Lockedout434 · 10/01/2013 00:05

This is from the urban75 site. It made me feel brave. I hope it might give people courage and hope.

www.urban75.net/forums/threads/the-sir-jimmy-savile-obe-thread.300406/page-72

My disclosure was initially made to the local police force in the area the offences had taken place. I didn't particularly want to speak to anyone, so I found a Web form to fill in (by googling the area plus "police email"), and very briefly summarised the nature of my allegation. There were various options for contact details - email, address, phone numbers, etc, which I also filled in.

The form had said it was not to be used for reporting a crime, but I chose to ignore that, as I didn't feel like discussing it over the phone with a possibly sceptical and unsympathetic police officer.

The next weekday, I got a call from my local police, with a message from a sergeant asking me to get in touch to arrange to go to the local station to make a statement.

I was particularly struck by several things. Firstly, he was consistently going out of his way to be reassuring: given my general view of, and experience with, the police, this was surprising to me. Secondly, it was clearly a priority to get this done ASAP: he changed his shift in order to get it done as fast as possible.

(continued...)

When I got down to the police station (which, being a satellite station in a rural area, was closed), I was met by the sergeant, who continued to be very - verging on the painfully - supportive, offered a cup of tea, etc. Then we sat down and he, quite painstakingly, explained the procedure. I think I made his job a little easier when I explained that, as part of my professional role, child protection was something I was familiar with - and I think that background and knowledge probably helped me, too.

I then spent two hours giving my statement. To some extent, he directed the process by asking questions which I answered: it was clear that he wasn't much of a typist, so he took very brief notes while I spoke, then went back to the computer and typed them in to the statement, offering me the option to correct or amend what he was writing as the process went along.

I was asked for details of what had occurred, the timeframe (ie ages between), and an indication of the number of incidents, etc. Obviously, given the amount of time that has passed, there were many things I could not be completely specific about, but that seemed perfectly acceptable, and the statement contained quite a few "I think that I recall..." entries. I was also asked for as detailed a description of the circumstances, layout of house, description of room, that I could give, as he told me that in the absence of corroboration (this being a historical case), the local police would probably visit the premises and attempt to corroborate my description with the reality. Fortunately, I was able to remember addresses and give detailed descriptions of the rooms. He also wanted physical descriptions of the people I was making allegations against, which I was a little less clear on, strangely.

One thing that I was surprised by was the way in which he frequently returned to my perceptions of the effect that the offences I was alleging to have taken place had had on me, both at the time, and subsequently - I think I was expecting the process to be far more fact-based and clunkily procedural than that. We went into some detail as to what those effects had been, and a significant part of the statement covered them. He told me at the end that it was usual to complete a "Victim Impact Statement" as well as a statement of allegations, but that in this case we had covered both at the same time, hence his interest in the effects - the impact statement is read out in court (assuming it gets that far) following conviction and is considered during the sentencing process.

The final two questions he asked me were "Why did you wait so long to report it?", and "Why now?". He seemed quite satisfied that my reason for not making disclosure earlier was a feeling that it would not be taken seriously, and a desire not to rake it all up again, and as my reason for making the statement now I mentioned the Savile case, the discussions on this thread (he was quite exercised about the idea that investigating historical abuse cases was a "waste of resources", hem hem hem), and that those had prompted me to Google the perpetrator and discover that he was a) still alive, and b) had already been convicted of some offences.

One slightly amusing bit was that when he had asked me these questions, and got very comprehensive answers from me, he pushed the keyboard over to me and said "You'd better type that in - I think you can do a much better job of putting it into words than me". I ended up not only doing that, but spell-checking and tweaking the rest of the statement.

I was then given a couple of leaflets (which I haven't read yet) about the process. He informed me that the next step was for the statement to go back to the investigating force, who would almost certainly arrest the parties against whom I had made allegations, and interview them under caution. He was careful to point out that it may not go any further, and that I should not anticipate that it would go to court or result in conviction - although he seemed quite keen on the idea that I might want to face my abuser(s) in court! - but that at the very least they would be aware that an allegation had been made and was being treated seriously.

And that was it: I came out of the police station, 2½ hours and two cups of tea later, picked up a takeaway curry, and came home. Drained

I do hope that if there is anyone out there who is in the situation I was in, of having been on the receiving end of offences perpetrated so long ago (in my case, we're talking about offences that started 40 years ago, in the early 1970s), they will feel encouraged to report them. I do wish I had made allegations at the time (although both the police officer and I agreed that it was likely they would not have been taken as seriously then as they would be now), and I certainly wish that I had gone to the police 20 years ago when the repressed memories of what had happened began to return. Some of the offences for which one of the perpetrators was convicted took place after that point, and I am somewhat troubled by the idea that, had I reported them sooner, some children might have been spared my experiences.

I may have been lucky in getting a particularly helpful police officer, but I did get the impression that, organisationally, the police are a LOT more willing to take allegations of abuse - even historical ones - seriously, now, and I would urge anyone who is not sure to consider making a disclosure.

I have deliberately gone very light on details here, for all kinds of reasons, but if anyone wants a bit more encouragement or information, feel free to PM me and I'll do what I can.

swallowedAfly · 10/01/2013 08:36

that's a great post and i hope it encourages some people.

i have two main things that i suppose in theory i could report. one which happened when i was a young child however is pointless as i recently found out that the perpetrator committed suicide many years ago and it also turns out that his father was a known paedophile - this info came out of a casual chat with someone who grew up on the same street as me and was recalling families there at the time. i left that chat reeling a bit and must admit it stirred things up in my head and left me with some weird mixed feelings, some of which surprised me.

the other was later in my early teens and the police did get involved at the time but couldn't prosecute or do anything because i wasn't willing to testify. hope i don't regret blurting this out on mn but the report someone linked to on here the other day where the parents were devastated that their teen daughter had been targeted, groomed and brainwashed by a man in his twenties and police could do nothing because she wouldn't testify against was very close to home for me. i can remember the police being desperate for me to be willing to report etc but i wouldn't - i was still at the stage of thinking this child abuser was my 'boyfriend'. the police were candid about his history but i couldn't think straight. i got myself out of the situation not that long afterwards with support from a youth worker i trusted and a member of staff at school.

i must admit i'm now thinking 'what if he's still doing this'.... i have googled his name, the area, the kind of offences etc and found nothing. it's also slightly complicated by the fact that he was rumoured to be HIV+ - he was a haemophiliac and it was alleged that his money (driving around in a lotus esprit never having worked) was compensation for infection by blood transfusion. so part of me has tended to assume he was dead. when i finally got away from him i had to go through months of repeated HIV testing which was pretty terrifying as, essentially, a child and even when they gave me the HIV test when pregnant with my son (over 15 years on) i was still really nervous about the result.

sorry now i have started i can't seem to stop. how do you find out if someone is dead or alive? all i have is his name and the street he lived on with his (fully complicit) mother at the time.

i know i was far from the first and damn sure i wasn't the last.

swallowedAfly · 10/01/2013 08:39

not sure if i should have posted that but i'm not gonna get it deleted. i was a child - i was stupid yes but i was a child and vulnerable to this kind of targeting for several reasons that were not of my making. it was also a very, long time ago and i'm obviously a very different person now.

boschy · 10/01/2013 09:24

swallowed I hear you, you are a brave lady. sorry I cant be more help, but I hope you find what you need.

swallowedAfly · 10/01/2013 17:02

i don't need anything really - i'm ok and it is a long time ago. it's just that this stuff throws up the question of whether i have a responsibility to find out if he is still alive, if there is any chance he could still be offending etc. i saw a friend of his many years later in a pub and he tried to be all jokey with me and talk about when i used to 'go out with' his mate (this guy was very similar) and i surprised myself by totally not going along with it and stating that he wasn't my boyfriend but a paedophile.

cue awkward silence from other people there and i suspect annoyance at me for saying something so outrageous.

bleurgh!! just bleurgh!!!

the whole 'we should lower the age of consent', 'that 12 year old was asking for it' culture makes me sick. note they are never suggesting that men should be able to shag 12 year old boys and get away with it yet having sex with female children is somehow fine/understandable/natural etc. we really, really need to get rid of the patriarchal/misogynistic culture in the judiciary.

swallowedAfly · 10/01/2013 17:22

thanks for replying though boschy - not nice having a post like that dangling at the end of a thread Smile

Lockedout434 · 10/01/2013 18:36

Oh swallowed, it's awful when you look back. You shouldn't be embarrassed about that post. Bravery comes in different guises and it's right to share to speak up. If we all do then we have the power back. It's them who should be cowering in embarrassment .
You could easily open up that case again the police have the evidence of your witness statement all those years ago. It might be filed somewhere. But it's up to you. It's your choice.
My minor abuser ( if you know what I mean grabber rather than anything else )is dead and the man who raped me was in a foreign country. So luckily I don't have that dilemma.
I can announce on here but have never told my mother , father or partner, due to me not wanting to deal with their emotions really.

Hmmmm there is a lot of it about . There was a thread a bit ago asking how old we're you when you were flashed it was amazing how many pages there were and the average age was 9 ish.

AnyaKnowIt · 10/01/2013 22:25

Good lord Sad

news.sky.com/story/1036443/jimmy-savile-abused-dying-hospice-patients

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Mrcrumpswife · 11/01/2013 10:39

Heres the operation yewtree report if anyone wants to read it.

www.nspcc.org.uk/news-and-views/media-centre/press-releases/2013/operation-yewtree-report/operation-yewtree-report_wdn93653.html

Mrcrumpswife · 11/01/2013 11:44

7.12 There is no clear evidence of Savile operating within a paedophile ring although
whether he was part of an informal network is part of the continuing investigation
and it?s not therefore appropriate to comment further on this at this time.

Part of the report.

Lets hope they do continue to investigate this aspect of whole thing as i dont believe for one minute that any man without protection could get away with any of this for over 50 years when he was such a public figure.

Lockedout434 · 11/01/2013 12:45

No paedophile ring!

In 5 live nicky Campbell asked if saville acted alone.
She said that in some cases he didn't there were others both assisting and joining in.

Jimmy with a brother who was an close friend of boothby as was jimmy. A regular visitor of jersey as was Montgomery, Heath. A person who frequented children's homes and took advantage of young vulnerable girls. Such as islington elm house
Bollocks join the fucking dots up and they won't be a ring they will be a spiders web.
Join the dots

Mrcrumpswife · 11/01/2013 12:52

Yep, thought that would wind you up aswellGrin

Its unbelieveable how far they will go to set up another whitewash.

The Elm House case is growing in momentum pretty fast via the internet now that the list has been released but who knows how far they will get with that if the mainsteam media still refuse to report it.

Is there a savile blackout on MN, other than this post? Maybe child abuse is best avoided on a parenting forumConfused

Lockedout434 · 11/01/2013 12:57

1.9 Not all the victims who have come forward have been interviewed by police.
However the patterns and similarities of the offences and behaviours that have come to light so far have given police and NSPCC staff an informed view that most people have provided compelling accounts of what happened to them. It should be recognised that others will also have experienced abuse but have chosen not to speak out.

They have not investigated that bit so they can't say there is no evidence.

white wash warning!!!! white wash warning!!!!!