Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2

[MrsjREwing]

Last thread full.

Steve has released a statement responding to Lord McAlpines statement.

A bit of a silly question but having read the report linked how can charities charge local councils for services provided. The 2 Charities in the article are Banardos and The Childrens society who between them have billed the Taxpayer 94,000 pounds.

I thought that the donations we give meant the services could be offered in addition to what the councils offered and not run as some sort of profiting business.

I am shocked to see the charities charging for services. What do they do with the money we donate every year?

Banardos had an income of 245 million in one year.

42.8 million annually for the childrens society.

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/birmingham-social-services-faces-new-317686

My social worker friends play merryhell with nspcc, barnados. They look at the donation and say if even a quarter of what's given to them was given to social services it would transform what they could do.
They always go on about how much the exec of the charities get paid as well. Saying its usually run for the daughters of the toffs as something to do prior to a good marriage and children. Or by wifes and girlfriends of blue chip execs.
It's usually when they have a few to drink but there is a well of bitterness.
Bless

I still have heard nothing about my lock out. I have emailed
Does anyone know how to escalate my plea.

Beautiful answer to Xenia bythe way mrC

I'm sure social workers do have bones to pick with the NSPCC and Barnardos (historically Barnardos were responsible for quite a lot of child abuse - including that home for 'emotionally disturbed girls' that Saville plundered) but I imagine they are charging for work that costs them money - dunno what services, but some charities run schemes that provide extra support for vulnerable new mothers for instance. That means paying staff and providing resources, so of course they charge for the work. Doesn't mean it's all above board, but the concept of paying for services seems reasonable enough - it'd be ethically extremely dodgy, and illegal, if charitable donations were being used to carry out work social services should be paying for.

Oh, and NSPCC came on here for a webchat and were unable to answer questions about what they actually do with all the money that they raise.

I am speechless

Most people in the UK rightly hugely admire the work of the NSPCC, Barnados and Prince Charles for that matter. Our leading chidlren's charities and social workers are united with a common cause. It does not much good if they fall out. In fact the more different providers there are around the better to ensure power is diluted and there are many more checks and balances.

Lord McAlpine to donate tweeters' payouts to Children in Need

Xenia, you obviously weren't here for the NSPCC webchat. There are entirely legitimate questions for the NSPCC to answer about what exactly they do with the millions of pounds they raise - the people they put up couldn't, or wouldn't, answer, beyond 'awareness raising'. The abuse of children in Barnardo's care is well-documented, including Duncroft where many of the women who spoke out in the original ITV documentary were unfortunate enough to be assaulted by Jimmy Saville.

Prevalence and incidence of child abuse and neglect
Key child protection statistics
June 2012
Statistics homepage
Approximately 50,500 children in the UK are known to be at risk of abuse right now.
One in four young adults (25.3%) were severely maltreated during childhood.

We do not know exactly how many children in the UK have been abused.
The UK does not publish statistics on the number of substantiated child abuse cases recorded every year (this would be the incidence of child abuse).
Official statistics

The number of children on child protection registers or the subject of child protection plans tells us how many children are known to be at risk of abuse right now.

This is not the same as knowing how many children have been abused.
Research indicates that abuse and neglect are both under-reported and under-recorded.

Below are the most recent figures.

Approximately 50,500 children in the UK are known to be at risk of abuse right now.
Latest available figures show that there were 50,552 children on child protection registers or the subject of child protection plans in the UK as at 31 March 2011 (or 31 July 2011 in Scotland):

England: 42,700
Northern Ireland: 2,571
Scotland: 2,880
Wales: 2,401
For a breakdown by category of abuse and for the source of these figures please visit our page on child protection register statistics.
Research statistics

Research studies tell us the proportion of children who suffer abuse (this is known as the prevalence of child abuse).

Child abuse and neglect in the UK today (Radford et al, 2011) is a major piece of NSPCC research which interviewed 1,761 young adults aged 18-24 years; 2,275 children aged 11-17 years and 2,160 parents of children aged under 11.

Below are some key findings.
Severe maltreatment
One in four young adults (25.3%) had been severely maltreated during childhood.
Around one in five (18.6%) children aged 11-17 have been severely maltreated.

One in seven young adults (14.5%) had been severely maltreated by a parent or guardian during childhood.
More than one in eight children aged 11-17 (13.4%) have experienced severe maltreatment by a parent or guardian.
Sexual abuse

Nearly a quarter of young adults (24.1%) experienced sexual abuse (including contact and non-contact) by an adult or by a peer during childhood.

One in six children aged 11-17 (16.5%) have experienced sexual abuse.

Almost one in 10 children aged 11-17 (9.4%) have experienced sexual abuse in the past year. Teenage girls aged between 15 and 17 years reported the highest past year rates of sexual abuse.
See our sexual abuse statistics pages for more information.

Physical violence

One in nine young adults (11.5%) had experienced severe physical violence during childhood at the hands of an adult.

One in 14 children aged 11-17 (6.9%) have experienced severe physical violence at the hands of an adult.
See our physical abuse statistics pages for more information.

Neglect

Neglect was the most prevalent type of maltreatment in the family for all age groups.

One in six young adults (16%) had been neglected at some point in their childhoods and nearly one in ten (9%) had experienced severe neglect.

One in seven children aged 11-17 (13.3%) have been neglected. Almost one in ten (9.8%) have experienced severe neglect.
See our neglect statistics pages for more information.

Emotional abuse

One in 14 young adults (6.9%) experienced emotional abuse during childhood.

One in 14 children aged 11-17 (6.8%) have experienced emotional abuse.

Experiencing domestic abuse

Nearly one in four young adults (23.7%) were exposed to domestic violence between adults in their homes during childhood.

Just under one in five children aged 11-17 (17.5%) have experienced domestic violence between adults in their homes.
See our domestic abuse statistics pages for more information.

Disclosure

More than one in five children aged 11-17 (22.9%) who were physically hurt by a parent or guardian did not tell anyone else about it.

More than one in three children aged 11-17 (34%) who experienced contact sexual abuse by an adult did not tell anyone else about it.

Four out of five children aged 11-17 (82.7%) who experienced contact sexual abuse from a peer did not tell anyone else about it.

From: Radford, Lorraine, Corral, Susana, Bradley, Christine, Fisher, Helen, Bassett, Claire, Howat, Nick and Collishaw, Stephan (2011) Child abuse and neglect in the UK today . London: NSPCC.

Further reading

How to find, understand and use statistics about child abuse
A brief introduction to child abuse statistics.

Comparing child abuse statistics over time and between countries
Explains the issues around looking for trends in statistics over time, within the UK and

www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/neurology-of-abuse/

The brains of children raised in violent families resemble the brains of soldiers exposed to combat, psychologists say.

They?re primed to perceive threat and anticipate pain, adaptations that may be helpful in abusive environments but produce long-term problems with stress and anxiety.

I took part in the NSPCC webchat, by asking questions along with others MNers. The NSPCC was spectacularly own-goalish in its inability or refusal to answer evcen the most simple queries about where the money goes.

Barnardos today does do some (apparently good) joint work with Councils on tracking and protecting children in care who are vulnerable to sexual exploitation. The issue for me is that the charity does not fully fund this work. It requires Councils (with diminishing budgets) to make significant contributions to projects. This may be 'normal' in the third sector but I'm not sure the donating public understands that for every pound they give to Barnardos, Barnardos requires a pound of their tax money also. The same is true of course of projects supported by Children in Need and Comic Relief. I think this is a structural issue that needs looking at by a Select Committee.

Child exploitation this is the first time all the figures have been pulled together.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9691983/16000-at-risk-of-child-sex-exploitation.html

m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20422357

I think it would be a little unfair to damn NSPCC and Barnardo's and I think it's brilliant we have charities and social workers because the more different unconnected individuals with no ties to each other, no payment from or connections to each other the more likely in all situations that the truth will out and people will not cover each other's backs. Charities and social workers do huge good on a daily basis.

On the latest figures www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3606639.ece#tab-5 the Times 91% of the UK is white and 36% of those prosecuted last year were white. In communities (most) which are virtually all white that is an irrelevant issue which is just a distraction but it's certainly something to consider in mixed race areas.

I have had a really good look around Barnardos web site and i cant find anything that they do for free. I can donate my money easily, fundraise, or even commission a service which i'm guessing means you have to pay for it by employing Barnardos staff

All they appear to do is write endless reports on what is shit about this country regarding childrens services, it lists endless failings but actually doesnt appear to do much else. They lobby Government which considering one of the main people was a lib dem councillor surely blurs the line between Government and charity. Makes you wonder how many other bigwigs within the charity are ex Government employees.

No wonder so many children are being let down badly when its all talk and no action.

Very interesting about the NSPCC and the web chat.

The Telegraph report is very disturbing especially when you read that Government is saying it is a hysterical reaction to the JS case.

They do good work. We need more not fewer of them. The various churches do too. The more different organisations we have working in these fields the better.

All the NSPCC do is make ad's on tv asking for money. If you phone to report child abuse they just pass it on to SS.

Cameron has just said on pmq's that Manchester Police are going to investigate Cryil Smith

Xenia, churches definitely do not have the best record for child protection. Whats even worse is that they dont admit guilt or apologise. I will be sticking to small local charities from now on, at least it goes to those who need it without paying massive inflated salaries.

*Anya..Another step forward of investigating the deceased

Having said that, i would be yelling if they didnt investigate!

I've been thinking, it'll be a sad situation if the councillors and politicians who are 'corporate parents', and who should be encouraged to visit children's homes, now become wary of beling tagged with the label 'Interested in looked after children' because of what has heppend.

Those shits who have been in positions of authority and who abused it and abused children have a lot to answer for.

Yet another 170 victims linked to the church in todays express.

www.express.co.uk/posts/view/359610/Brotherhood-faces-sex-abuse-action

So anyone watching?

Yes, I shall be watching.

They are doing broad moor as well

I'm watching too