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Exposure, newsnight etc discussion part 2

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MrsjREwing · 09/11/2012 19:05

Last thread full.

Steve has released a statement responding to Lord McAlpines statement.

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VivaLeBeaver · 15/11/2012 20:41

Well I thought it was LB after the programme.

johnhemming · 15/11/2012 20:47

My best email address is the direct one (which only I see - on the assumption that MI5 are not scanning my accounts) that is [email protected]

AnyaKnowIt · 15/11/2012 21:05

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20337495

Councillor accuses Sir Cyril Smith of physical abuse

nameswinger1 · 15/11/2012 21:14

Just had a look on twitter and Steven Messham has said he felt the BBC has treated him like dirt. He also seems angry with the Sunday Mail, Sun and others.
His tweets are so sad and you can tell he is in pieces. It angers me that assholes like Mellor and journalist David Rose think it's in there place to call him a weirdo and discredit him.

A tweet I read earlier which rang so true
Child abuse: Doesn't seem like Steve Messham can afford to sue anyone - or have someone take action or will assist on his behalf.

MrsjREwing · 15/11/2012 21:17

My heart bleeds for Steve, I would love to give him a hug.

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ssd · 15/11/2012 21:18

imagine David Mellor calling anyone a wierdo Hmm

jesus wept

feel so sorry for SM

Tipsandshoots · 15/11/2012 21:26

oooh look what I got
Remember we were e-mailing the trust re the video of MC about what he knows and how he should go to the police.

Thank you for your email to the BBC Trust. I am responding as a member of the Trust Unit which supports and advises the Chairman and the Trustees.
I note your concerns about reports regarding Max Clifford's involvement in this year's Children in Need event.

Whilst I appreciate your concerns, I should explain that the BBC Trust has no role in day to day editorial or operational issues, such as the appointment of PR or fundraising staff.

BBC Children in Need is a registered charity and the Trust has no influence on its appointments. If you would like to contact Children in Need directly, you can do so via:

Email: [email protected]

Post:
BBC Children in Need Appeal
PO Box 1000
London
W12 7WJ
Tel: 020 8576 7788
I hope this is helpful and thank you for bringing your concerns to the Trust?s attention.

MrsjREwing · 15/11/2012 21:43

I complained about Max too, it's CIN tomorrow. Charity's will get money from me directly from now on. I am giving to Young carers which I believe is one of Princess Anne's charity's, they probably get more direct rather than CIN taking a cut to pay their costs.

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Tipsandshoots · 15/11/2012 21:43

This is also from Alex Thomson channel 4 blog

Cllr Gregory of Wrexham told Cathy Newman in her excellent interview that all the North Wales perpetrators who were not named in the Waterhouse review but who have been named on the list compiled by the sixty victims in the self-help group, and handed to C4news, were all members of a Masonic Lodge. Why can't we say that we consider membership of the freemasons to be a conflict of interest which should bar any police officer from working on the investigations of the cover-ups of both Savile and Bryn Estyn.

Tipsandshoots · 15/11/2012 21:46

I can't bring myself not to support CIN. It feels to spiteful.
I should just give it to the womens refuge but the kids are too excited about going in pyjamas

AnyaKnowIt · 15/11/2012 21:52

Oh look time to sweep it all under the carpet...

www.politics.co.uk/news/2012/11/14/peers-want-probe-into-child-abuse-inquiry-dropped

Feenie · 15/11/2012 21:53

I am sick to death of the way only dead paedophiles seem to be investigated - we are no further forward if that continues to be the case.

Tipsandshoots · 15/11/2012 23:09

this is so wrong its funny

Crossbench peer Lord Lloyd of Berwick, a retired judge, suggested that "there is no longer any need for another high court judge to go over the word done by Sir Ronald Waterhouse and that on the contrary we should all be grateful for the impeccable nature of his inquiry and the thoroughness of his report".

Tipsandshoots · 15/11/2012 23:15

here is other bits.

Lord Mackay of Clashfern, an advocate and Tory peer, said he viewed Waterhouse as a "very distinguished, conscientious judge" whose work was being unfairly impugned.

"I was in touch with him when he was doing his inquiry and I know the terrific effect it had on him from the harrowing nature of his work," he told the Lords.

"I feel very strongly it is utterly wrong to cast aspersions on his work, unless there is a basis on doing so on which one can rely upon."

Baroness Butler-Sloss, a retired English judge, said the government had "cast aspersions" upon Waterhouse's report by inferring he "didn't do a good enough job".

She suggested that the terms of reference for Mrs Justice Macur's inquiry into Waterhouse's work of the late 1990s be amended.

"If the terms of reference are changed, to say any allegations not made to Sir Ronald Waterhouse should be investigated, I suspect the House would be a great deal happier," she added.

Justice minister Lord McNally said the government would not abandon the Macur inquiry.

"The situation that we faced was not just a single individual coming forward, but a large amount of accusations being bandying around and a great deal of public concern," he told peers.

"I do not think anything the prime minister or the government does calls into question the integrity of the Waterhouse inquiry.

"The review? will look at whether any specific allegations of child abuse were not investigated. The serious allegations that have been made do merit a further thorough investigation."

Labour frontbencher Baroness Smith of Basildon repeated her party's call for an overarching inquiry into allegations of historic child abuse, following claims relating to BBC presenter Jimmy Savile.

Lord McNally said the government was not planning on changing its approach, adding: "I really do not accept that [Mrs Justice Macur's inquiry] impugns either the integrity or the processes of the original report.

"We are indebted to the senior judiciary for so often being willing to take on these very difficult tasks on behalf of society as a whole."

Waterhouse's report, Lost In Care, was published in 2000 after three years of evidence from 259 complainants in Clwyd and Gwynedd.

It identified 28 individuals alleged to have been paedophiles, but did not name any of them.

The report made 72 recommendations, including the establishment of the children's commissioner for Wales, and led to 140 compensation payments to victims.

nameswinger1 · 15/11/2012 23:18

anyaknowit
It's good to see the comments below the website you linked. People are just not biting this tosh anymore and want answers! Ok, some maybe hysterical but it's a still a good sign ..

we should all be grateful for the impeccable nature of his inquiry and the thoroughness of his report".

Well, how about we the actual plebs be the the judge of that your Lordship.

goralka · 15/11/2012 23:32

a bit off on a tangent I know - but has anyone else noticed that weird left eyed squint that (alleged) child molesters seem to have? I was just on the telegraph website where there were side by side images of four men and three of them seemed to have it. Only FS didn't.

Tipsandshoots · 15/11/2012 23:35

www.powerbase.info/index.php/Anthony_Lloyd

Security Commission

Lloyd was Vice-Chairman of the Security Commission 1985?92, and Chairman from 1992?99.[5] The Security Commission is an executive group appointed by the Prime Minister to investigate suspected breaches of security by public servants.

Hmmmm he must know lots and lots of strange and peculiar things.
He might have know Maurice Oldfield he was knocking about northern Ireland late 70's 80's.

might be a bit if a stretch that though

unitarian · 16/11/2012 01:41

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/39312

LoopsInHoops · 16/11/2012 05:58

Does anyone know what Dave Lee Travis has been arrested for? Is to do with this, but can't find details.

swallowedAfly · 16/11/2012 10:07

i think it was possible sexual offences - something as vague as that loops.

swallowedAfly · 16/11/2012 10:19

yes released on bail for sexual offences is the line - nothing more detailed and he is not expected to make a statement.

RedToothbrush · 16/11/2012 11:25

I believe several women have alleged that DLT had wandering hands.

A couple outright named him in the press a month ago (Vivien Creegor who now works for SkyNews and an unnamed woman). feeddoo.com/n/2106790-bbc-sex-scandal-we-were-groped-by-dave-lee-travis-claim-bbc-women-as-sex-abuse-scandal-deepens

There is also this curious article from June printed in The Times (you can only read part of the article without subscription but there is enough there to get the jist) which pre-dates SavileGate.
www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/newsreview/features/article1061997.ece

Then there was Liz Kershaw made a vague accusation about a DJ but didn't name him, in the wake of the Jimmy Savile revelations (her point was that the BBC as an institution did nothing about complaints at the time) - which is why I think this is being linked to the Jimmy Savile investigations. I don't know that DLT is the DJ she was referring to but he was working at Radio 1 at the same time as her and her description and allegations it would seem to fit in with the other reports I've mentioned above.

So I would doubt the arrest was for being a pedophile. The unnamed woman in the first article was reported to have gone to the police about the matter so it doesn't surprise me that he has been arrested. Its more surprising its taken so long tbh.

DLT denied the claims put in the first article at the time.

Xenia · 16/11/2012 11:40

I think I would rather we concentrated on (a) stopping groping of women (and in particular sex abuse of children) going on now (b) then second priority bring to justice those who are guilty of child abuse and then only last (c) go after men who groped women at work of which there used to be masses going on, and there still is even today in the UK. However (c ) if there is enough evidence is still worth considering. Why should they get away with what they did to girls in the office and teenage fans even if it were more tolerated in those days. It might have been tolerated but it was not desired. The everyday sexism project website is worth looking at www.everydaysexism.com/

However our bottom line always has to be until proven people are innocent and sadly people make up accusations every day of the year in all kinds of areas.

RedToothbrush · 16/11/2012 11:53

I think the point is, if the DLT arrest fails under Operation Yewtree, I suspect they are trying to establish whether there was institutional failures at the BBC and to identify which individuals were turning a blind eye to inappropriate sexual conduct against both women and children. If they can prove it was at an institutional level it opens the door for some high level prosecutions. Which actually is ENTIRELY appropriate and something we should be concentrating on. A number of institutions actively enabled Jimmy Savile to abuse because they wanted his charity money; there needs to be wholesale investigation into why the institutions turned a blind eye and the prosecutions are very important to restore public trust and to ensure similar failings do not happen again.

Focusing on the past has an enormous influence on what happens in the present and the future. To turn around and say, its not as important is quite frankly bullshit of the highest order.

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