Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

[MrsjREwing]

Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

There are a few on this thread who might do well to heed the final paragraph of McAlpine's statement:

Hang on a min, he made a public statement which people are discussing. I think British law currently allows this.

Its no different to how we discussed Jimmy Saviles statement that he had never been to HDLG and threatened to sue a national newspaper if they printed that he had.

Oooops, shouldnt have mentioned that one should i, didnt a photo turn up of him there in the end

You can't libel the dead.

How can you libel someone when discussing a statement that he personally released.

It is rarely wise to sue if you are defamed. It can be a massive waste of money and just draws attention to the original allegation. Just because someone chooses not to sue does not mean they are guilty.

As call says it seems very unlikely McA was involved. I would like all those speculating on the thread to imagine if their son or husband were falsely accused and how they would feel. I would like to see much more compassion and consideration.

If LMcA is that way inclined (which it appears not) then right through his life like Jimmy S you would find 40 years of accusations. There are none as far as I have seen. People made like this who have a very hard cross to bear tend always to offend and will have done since they were fairly young.

Aitch, your post made me shudder

so whats an abused child supposed to do, shut up and hope the police believe him and his accuser is investigated?

or show pictures of your abuse and then find out the pictures were destroyed?

if the victims dont turn detective this will all be brushed under the carpet...again

How offencive to compare Jesus Christ to Jimmy Saville! Jesus Christ bore a cross and the sins of the world and is thought by Christians to be the sin of GOD. Jimmy Saville was a predatory psychopath and you use language like "a cross to bear" about his peadophelia. I am disgusted!

Wonder if David Icke is worried.
His forum has put the boot into so many people over the years, and now someone comes along who has the money to close it down...

Did I read that right Xenia? When you say 'people made like this who have a very hard cross to bear' do you mean sadistic paedophiles, since that's what these people are accused of?
Do you think Jimmy Savile had a very hard cross to bear? Because he seems to have rather enjoyed abusing and had 'it was good while it lasted' inscribed on his grave.

I prefer to sympathise with the victims who have had their lives ruined and were often driven to suicide, rather than people like Savile who chose to offend and used his wealth and privilege to get away with it and even to further discredit and damage the victims.

Look, I don't give a sh*t if you find yourself in court because of your "sceptical" smilies and innuendos. I'd be a bit more upset if MN found itself in court for publishing them, but it's up to MN towers whether they want these comments to remain or not.

Totally agree with you linerunner.

I think Xenia meant that people who are sexually attracted to children - many of whom DO NOT ACT on their impulses - have a terrible burden to carry. 'Cross to bear' is a common phrase meaning 'terrible burden to carry'.

Technically a paedophile is someone who is attracted to children. Many of them may have been abused s children themselves.

A person who sexually attacks children is a child abuser, a child rapist, a sex attacker.

yeah thats right cavell, keep polishing your halo

Cavell your not a Tory Mp are you ha ha.

A cross to bear is just a phrase. It wasn't a direct comparison with Jesus.
I am tempted to add for christsake but probably ought not.

For the avoidance of doubt, I do not think you can police or condemn people's private sexualities or fantasies. And we should extend compassion to those who are disturbed and sickened by their own impulses and encourage them to find ways to manage it and get help in doing so.

We should rightly condemn, investigate and prosecute those who cross the line and abuse children. This includes those who buy images of children being abused.

Cavell, i like to think MNHQ are more than capable of policing threads.

Yes, it must be tough to be born like that and not able to exercise your sexuality, like being born gay in the 1950s in the UK when it was a criminal offence. That does not mean I imply anyone should act on any impulse which results in an illegal act - I certainly don't but I find very little help for people like this.

I also think the more routes we give all children to report abuse the better and ensure they know there is always someone who will listen to them and take them seriously.

I suspect we do not even begin to stop these things until we change attitudes from witch hunt to proper analysis of cause and effect and treatment.

Anyway I doubt that will be a popular comment on the thread and I am certainly not against the current investigations.

It's the 'are paedophiles born or made that way' vexed question.
I don't know the answer but to abuse children is to attack the ultra-vulnerable and is a grotesque abuse of power for which there is no excuse, whatever the motivation.

I cannot believe you just wrote that Xenia.

What a tough life these paedophiles have. Must be a right fucker not being able to satisfy their perverse needs legally.

oh no, ssd, what a ridiculously twisted way to read my post...

i'm saying it's not a child's role to be correct about who they are accusing, it's a child's role to make the accusation and the police's role to investigate it.

so if the police hear 'lord mcalpine with a big car' and they establish that the actual real lord mcalpine was not in the area BUT don't then investigate his brother who lived there and had a big car... then something is very wrong. it shouldn't be up to a child to get every detail right or be dismissed. the police should have investigated, and if they didn't then there are serious, serious questions to answer.

so really, take your shudder and stuff it up your santimonious ringpiece...

I really cannot buy the idea that Savile and other men like him were suffering terribly and carrying a dreadful burden.

If a child who was sadistically abused grew up to find himself or herself turned on sadistic images of children being abused, would there be sympathy for him or her?

I'm worried now that the victims are going to be forgotten in all this. Or that they will somehow be discredited. Perish the thought, but it can happen.

Let's not take our eye off the ball - the bottom line is justice for victims and survivors of sexual attack and abuse, whether from way back when, or happening now.

good posts by NapDamnYou.

I'm thinking of the 'worse things happen at boarding school' remark. There are a lot of older men in positions of power who went to schools where corporal punishment and fagging was the norm, with masters and older boys able to dish out punishment and behave in a way that would be seen as physically or sexually abusive now. :(