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Newsnight Fri 2 Nov please watch v Important you know who is running the country

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MrsjREwing · 02/11/2012 11:53

Tom Watkins tweeted a seniour politician will be outed tonight and Max Clifford said on Daybreak shocking news will be released by the BBC today.

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ninah · 05/11/2012 21:31

I've been to a mason's 'ladies' night' it was puketastic

Mrcrumpswife · 05/11/2012 21:36

I always thought it was a bit of a 'boy scouts outfit' but for old men who smoke cigars, play golf and have surplus money.

I've seen it mentioned on DI so many times and always with darker links.

I dont think i have ever met a mason.

ninah · 05/11/2012 21:39

I went with a handyman and a cab driver who were bigging up the charity work
They also made some racist remarks and the whole thing was very 'traditional' and not in a good way
I imagine higher up the ranks it could be even more unsavoury
My grandfather was also a mason but never discussed it with him

NapOfTheDamned · 05/11/2012 21:40

There are heaps of bonkers conspiracy theories about Common Purpose.

They are found on conspiracy sites along with allegations that 9/11 and 7-7 were inside jobs, Illuminati, chem trails blah blah blah ...

There is nothing sinister or exciting about Common Purpose.

Hummingbirds · 05/11/2012 21:45

Well that's a very persuasive argument, NapOfTheDamned. There is nothing sinister about the Common Purpose network because you say so.

I could bring up plenty that's deeply wrong about it but I won't, because I don't want to derail the thread.

Tipsandshoots · 05/11/2012 21:50

I would go on the committee. I also vote for hellatwork and shy33, I think, from the digital spy site. I would also nominate izzywizzy she was so impressive on the chat thread prior to moving to news.

Sod the usual suspects mumsnet would and could sort it out.

Tipsandshoots · 05/11/2012 21:53

Nigellasguest and darkeyes mrsjrewing we could all go through the records.

AitchTwoOhOneTwo · 05/11/2012 21:54

just when you thought this thread couldn't get any more weird...

i've never heard of Common Purpose.

ommmward · 05/11/2012 21:54

yes! I love it. The corridors of power wouldn't know what had hit them. We'd all be Hmming and Biscuiting them into total abject remorse.

Mrcrumpswife · 05/11/2012 22:00

Just googled common purpose. It sounds very much like the 'Eton chosen ones' selected to network and reach higher levelsConfused

Levantine · 05/11/2012 22:04

I'd always thought Common Purpose was a pretty earnest sort of organisation. Agree, Camila Batmanghelidjh would be amazing to deal with this

NigellasGuest · 05/11/2012 22:07

I'd never heard of Common Purpose either.
But then again, I'd not heard of the Woodcraft Folk til my friend told me her DS was a fully paid up member...

MrsjREwing · 05/11/2012 22:12

I am going to have to google common purpose now too.

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Mrcrumpswife · 05/11/2012 22:15

Common Purpose (CP) is a Charity, based in Great Britain, which creates ?Future Leaders? of society. CP selects individuals and "trains" them to learn how society works, who pulls the "levers of power" and how CP "graduates" can use this knowledge to lead "Outside Authority".

Everything sounds sinister lately!

MrsjREwing · 05/11/2012 22:17

I had a quick look at CP exposed, interesting police forces mentioned.

This reminds me of another thread I read on here a while back, I learned about builderburgers and I think it was the club of Rome, interesting UK list of Builderburger's, one of those names from Twitter over the weekend was named along with someone who sent Savile Chrustmas cards.

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Tipsandshoots · 05/11/2012 22:21

www.independent.co.uk/news/thatchers-dad-mayor-preacher-groper-1257249.html

Ha! absolutely amazing what you can find on the net .
So that's why thatcher was a loon

MrsjREwing · 05/11/2012 22:28

Great find.

So Savile was tollerated by Mrs T, as she grew up with that behaviour and thought it normal?

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NapOfTheDamned · 05/11/2012 22:31

The ONLY sites who get their pants in a bunch about Commn Purpose are also, strangely enough, stuffed to the brim with illuminati Lizard stuff, 7/7 Inside Job stuff, and all the most out there conspiracy theories.

Therefore if anyone says they have been 'reading' about CP and are worried I instantly deduce that they have been getting info from credulity- stretching conspiracy sites and I form an opinion about them calling that 'reseach' or 'reading' because it ain't either.

edam · 05/11/2012 22:34

My Mum was in Common Purpose back in the 1980s or early 90s, btw. As far as I gathered it was about community development and sorting out some of the deprivation in the town where she worked. Only actual fact I recall is that the drummer out of Procol Harum was a member of hers, so I doubt it was entirely about spotting leaders, he was a has-been of long-standing by then!

Tipsandshoots · 05/11/2012 23:13

happie chappie said: ↑
According to The Times yesterday...

Jimmy Savile cultivated the friendship of a group of senior police officers through weekly meetings at his penthouse apartment, while being investigated over a string of abuse cases, a friend of the star has told The Times.

The broadcaster?s ?Friday Morning Club? included up to nine serving and retired police officers. The meetings were held regularly for almost 20 years until shortly before his death.

There is no suggestion that the men had any idea that Savile was involved in abuses, or that during this period police in other parts of the country were investigating at least six allegations that he had sexually abused children. Scotland Yard has been contacted by more than 300 possible victims with accounts of abuse over 40 years.

Most of the officers who attended the ?club? at Savile?s home in Leeds were from West Yorkshire Police, the force now investigating claims that Savile abused vulnerable children while working as a volunteer at Leeds General Infirmary.

Joseph Barker, a friend of Savile?s since primary school and a founder member of the club, recalled yesterday: ?They used to meet every Friday, about a dozen of them. Three quarters of them were police.?

He described how Savile would ?hold court?, leaning back in a black leather armchair with a cigar. ?We just drank tea and made light conversation. He was more of a listener when we were there ? he liked to get people?s opinions,? Mr Barker, 85, said.

?Princess Di used to phone him while we were there in the Friday Morning Club. Just like that.?

He said the BBC Radio 1 DJ and host of Top of the Pops and Jim?ll Fix It had befriended some of the officers while giving talks at corporate functions or community events.

Mr Barker was one of Savile?s oldest friends alongside the DJ?s long-serving BBC radio producer, ?Uncle? Ted Beston. He met Savile when they were pupils at St Anne?s Primary School in Leeds. They became close friends, cycled together in the Yorkshire Dales and threw a joint 21st birthday party. Mr Barker filmed two documentaries with Savile about mining, one for the BBC and one for ITV. He and his wife, Iris, would go on holiday to Scarborough three times a year and tried to co-ordinate their visits with Savile.

He is devastated by the revelations about Savile, saying: ?He never mentioned women. It was always racing, cycling and music. I just can?t believe it. It?s like Jekyll and Hyde.?

His wife, who knew Savile for 50 years, thought it was odd that he had never mentioned women.

?I?d never known him have an attraction to a woman his own age,? Mrs Barker said. ?We always thought he saw himself as one of the mafia. Any problem that arose, he used to say, ?My people will take care of it?. Now we are wondering who ?my people? were.?

Savile wrote in his autobiography about an incident in the 1960s when he spent the night with an attractive girl, who had run away from a remand home, before handing her over to police in Leeds. He said a high-ranking woman police officer was persuaded by her colleagues not to charge him as ?it was well known that were I to go, I would probably take half the station with me?.

Other members of the club included Howard Silverman, a hairdresser and friend for 40 years, Jeffrey Marlowe, a running companion, and David Dalmour, a singer, who along with Mr Barker were each left £1,000 in Savile?s will. Mick Starkey, who retired from West Yorkshire Police as an inspector shortly before Savile?s death, was also a member of the Friday Morning Club. The DJ joked that the officer was his ?bodyguard?.

Mr Starkey, 61, could not be contacted yesterday, but after Savile?s death he told his local newspaper how he often drove Savile in his £150,000 Rolls-Royce, including taking him for a spin in the Yorkshire Dales four days before his death.

?He was a part of my life as I grew up. He was a distant figure associated with Top of the Pops, Pan?s People and everything that was trendy,? Mr Starkey said. I never thought for a minute that in later life, as a serving police officer, I would meet him professionally or that subsequently we would become close friends.?

Another officer named as a club member, Sergeant Matthew Appleyard, who was on duty at Wetherby Police Station in West Yorkshire yesterday, refused to comment. Other officers in the club could not be traced.

Savile received recognition for his community work from police forces across the country. An auction of his possessions in July included a table lighter inscribed ?To Jimmy Savile from his friends at the Fraud Squad?, along with a series of plaques and awards including the Metropolitan Police 150th Anniversary medal.

A spokesman for West Yorkshire Police said that the force had not conducted any past investigations into Savile but had received calls from victims as a result of the recent media coverage. ?None of these alleged any failure by police to investigate previously,? he added.

The spokesman said Savile had publicly supported some West Yorkshire Police campaigns, although none in recent years. He said that the force had no information about officers attending Savile?s Friday Morning Club but that they were free to do what they wished when off duty.

Tipsandshoots · 05/11/2012 23:15

So as most of the police authorities are implicated it is down to us then

campergirls · 05/11/2012 23:17

Hummingbirds if you don't want to derail this thread, perhaps you might want to start another one suggesting where people could find rational evidence against Common Purpose. I've just been doing some googling and like NapoftheDamned, could only find allegations being made against it on loonytunes conspiracy theory sites. Where is the sensible stuff?

Hummingbirds · 06/11/2012 00:07

Good suggestion, campergirls. I'll do it in the next few days. Meanwhile this thread can stick on-topic.

bringupthebabies · 06/11/2012 01:10

If you want to see the Waterhouse Report 'Lost in Care' into want went on in the Bryn Estyn Children's Home in Wrexham, North Wales and into Bryn Alyn (sp?), published in 1996 it is here in the National ARchives

<a class="break-all" href="http://tna.europarchive.org/20040216040105/www.doh.gov.uk/lostincare/20110.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tna.europarchive.org/20040216040105/www.doh.gov.uk/lostincare/20110.htm

Don't forget, this report was deliberately curtailed by the Judge leading the inquiry, Ronald Waterhouse so that the men named by the the boys who were 'sold' to them, outside the home, could not be named and so subsequently prosecuted. Waterhouse said this was to encourage the peadophiles to come forward and give evidence without fear of consequences. ASFAIK none of them ever did give evidence, but they certainly got their immunity to prosecution - to this day.

This is all so shocking - the more you find out the more shocking it gets. Corruption and depravity right through society. And victims are STILL being urged to go to the police - who we now all know are the most corrupt organisation of the lot. They sold information to the phone hackers, they took bribes, they covered up evidence in Hillsborough... and we're still expected to trust them by Cameron?

An awful lot is resting on poor Tom Watson's shoulders now, but I don't know who or what organisation could actually be trusted to carry out an investigation?

Tipsandshoots · 06/11/2012 06:37

Taken from another blog I am not that knowledgable
I just realised that the conservative MP named in twitter was the deputy director of the conservative party research department from 1990-96, and David Cameron worked for the same research department from 1988-93.

I'm not suggesting Cameron was involved in any cover up then, as apart from anything else, I don't think the timings match, but I do think this raises serious questions about his impartiality now when it comes to exposing the activities of someone he worked with directly for 3 years.